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Not really. You can usually choose another retail chain if you think the one you currently use is pricing competing products unfairly towardd with their own bra

Not really. You can usually choose another retail chain if you think the one you currently use is pricing competing products unfairly towardd with their own brand. In the case of Apples App Store, you can't change store without a significant cost in both time and money. You literally have to buy a non-Apple phone to be able to change retailer. Potentially also having to leave behind significant already paid for products, both hardware and software.

BoorishBears 8y ago
Eh, while I’m staunchly against Apple's integrations, the App Store isn’t a relevant factor imo. These are things inside one store, as in Spotify and Apple Music are both for sale in the one store, and while Apple takes a cut, which could force Spotify to increase their price, they do have full pricing autonomy. I’m not entirely against the fact that Apple has a walled garden in the form of the App Store, just because they do seem to invest in keeping a certain standard of quality unlike Google, but I’d say that’s a separate issue. And Spotify probably doesn’t want to be in the store business anyways even if Apple allowed it, Epic Games is probably the first major case I heard of a company doing similar on Android (where it’s allowed) and almost immediately they opened a security vulnerability into everyone’s phones so...
- lostmyoldone 8y ago
  I don't really understand your counter argument. As I was responding to a comment regarding similarities between the app store and a common retail store, I can't see how the app store could ever be irrelevant in this particular comparison?
  - BoorishBears 8y ago
    > As I was responding to a comment regarding similarities between the app store and a common retail store I read that comment as regarding similarities between two different apps that stream music, and two different brands of the same product in a store. The store the two brands are in isn't really relevant past the fact the same company that that owns the store owns one of the brands, and certainly the nature of the store doesn't affect the comparison.
captainredbeard 8y ago
In addition, there's no shortage of competing services readily available. The only thing they might have to do is make it a separate, must-be-downloaded app. Anything else is kinda tyranny.
threeseed 8y ago
Consumers buy an iPhone knowing that Apple runs the App Store. If they thought that having multiple stores was important to them they would use Android. Nobody is going into the phone purchasing process blind.
- lostmyoldone 8y ago
  I've worked selling retail electronics, it was long ago, but I can extrapolate and infer that people generally don't understand much about the app store, and almost nobody choose Apple because of some well though through reasoning behind different app store models. What most people do understand is based on experience in the physical world, where expectations of fair pricing is reasonable, because when you can select whatever store you want, that is an expected effect.
  - BoorishBears 8y ago
    >almost nobody choose Apple because of some well though through reasoning behind different app store models. No, but maybe they chose Apple because on Android their lockscreen got taken over by the top result for flashlight which is actually malware (something that happened to a family member and drove me to recommend Apple)
    - cannonedhamster 8y ago
      Why on Earth did your family member purchase an app that is literally provided by the os?
      - BoorishBears 8y ago
        It was a free purchase and there wasn't a built-in flashlight app, just a flash light quick setting, and they weren't familiar with quick settings. Also what kind of strange victim blaming is this? You want to know why they got a flashlight app instead of knowing why the top Play Store result is malware?

BoorishBears 8y ago

Eh, while I’m staunchly against Apple's integrations, the App Store isn’t a relevant factor imo. These are things inside one store, as in Spotify and Apple Music are both for sale in the one store, and while Apple takes a cut, which could force Spotify to increase their price, they do have full pricing autonomy. I’m not entirely against the fact that Apple has a walled garden in the form of the App Store, just because they do seem to invest in keeping a certain standard of quality unlike Google, but I’d say that’s a separate issue. And Spotify probably doesn’t want to be in the store business anyways even if Apple allowed it, Epic Games is probably the first major case I heard of a company doing similar on Android (where it’s allowed) and almost immediately they opened a security vulnerability into everyone’s phones so...

lostmyoldone 8y ago
I don't really understand your counter argument. As I was responding to a comment regarding similarities between the app store and a common retail store, I can't see how the app store could ever be irrelevant in this particular comparison?
- BoorishBears 8y ago
  > As I was responding to a comment regarding similarities between the app store and a common retail store I read that comment as regarding similarities between two different apps that stream music, and two different brands of the same product in a store. The store the two brands are in isn't really relevant past the fact the same company that that owns the store owns one of the brands, and certainly the nature of the store doesn't affect the comparison.

captainredbeard 8y ago

In addition, there's no shortage of competing services readily available. The only thing they might have to do is make it a separate, must-be-downloaded app. Anything else is kinda tyranny.

threeseed 8y ago

Consumers buy an iPhone knowing that Apple runs the App Store. If they thought that having multiple stores was important to them they would use Android. Nobody is going into the phone purchasing process blind.

lostmyoldone 8y ago
I've worked selling retail electronics, it was long ago, but I can extrapolate and infer that people generally don't understand much about the app store, and almost nobody choose Apple because of some well though through reasoning behind different app store models. What most people do understand is based on experience in the physical world, where expectations of fair pricing is reasonable, because when you can select whatever store you want, that is an expected effect.
- BoorishBears 8y ago
  >almost nobody choose Apple because of some well though through reasoning behind different app store models. No, but maybe they chose Apple because on Android their lockscreen got taken over by the top result for flashlight which is actually malware (something that happened to a family member and drove me to recommend Apple)
  - cannonedhamster 8y ago
    Why on Earth did your family member purchase an app that is literally provided by the os?
    - BoorishBears 8y ago
      It was a free purchase and there wasn't a built-in flashlight app, just a flash light quick setting, and they weren't familiar with quick settings. Also what kind of strange victim blaming is this? You want to know why they got a flashlight app instead of knowing why the top Play Store result is malware?