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might not be the technical term for the bigotry involved. If you look at the signs, there was a black man concerned with the identitarian nature of Black Lives

might not be the technical term for the bigotry involved. If you look at the signs, there was a black man concerned with the identitarian nature of Black Lives Matter. Are you trying to tell me that he's bigoted? Rather, I think he's concerned with bigotry masquerading as activism. aside from the fact that the person who asked him to "bless" the statue Again, this is weak "guilt by association." I have no idea if that other party is a bigot or not. It doesn't matter. Again, it's narrative generation, with the purpose of effective silencing by tarring. Silicon Valley is largely encased in a bubble produced by and consisting of accusation, name calling, and narrative pushing. The purpose of this is to gain the power to demonize and silence people. The devious thing about it, is that more outrage is generated when the accusations are false, and that fuels more noise and breaks down discourse even further. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc sure, if you say so, dude. In history, there have been many examples of arrogant groups who achieved economic success and power, became arrogant, and got trapped in bubbles of perception. http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/15/the-wetware-crisis-the-themocline-of-truth/ http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/15/the-wetware-crisis-the-t... They all had disparaging names for outsiders/underlings and thought of themselves as "betters." Most of the time, they thought of themselves as benevolent and benefactors. History is pretty clear about the lessons when those groups start imposing their misguided will on the people.

tptacek 8y ago
If you think agreeing to appear in a video with a white supremacist and joking about his "kek" statue doesn't paint at least part of a picture, and that suggesting otherwise is "guilt by association", that's on you. To me, it's more telling that your best, leading example of a place where the media got its facts wrong is Shiva Ayyadurai is also telling, and also paints part of a picture (not one I've described on the thread so far, just to be clear).
- stcredzero 8y ago
  If you think agreeing to appear in a video with a white supremacist and joking about his "kek" statue doesn't paint at least part of a picture "Paint part of a picture," Is just another way of saying "Narrative." To me, it's more telling that your best, leading example of a place where the media got its facts wrong is Shiva Ayyadurai is also telling So it doesn't matter that they got the facts wrong, because the people they are getting the facts wrong about are "bad" people. Sorry, but that's morally bankrupt. That's the classic moral stance to justify propaganda. Who in the past took actions against people they thought were generally bad, facts be damned? You appear to be in an epistemological calamity. You seem to be trapped in a bubble, where proof invalidating the bubble is sequestered through unsupported narratives. also paints part of a picture (not one I've described on the thread so far, just to be clear) So then you threaten to tar me by association as well? Again, it's this pushing of a narrative with no proof. (Just to be clear, all identitarians are in the wrong. All politics by violence is bad. All politics by intimidation is equally bad, as is disdain for facts and the truth.)
  - tptacek 8y ago
    I am simply going to point out again that your best example of the media getting its facts wrong is a video in which "Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai,PhD(M.I.T.) Inventor of Email" --- a repeat InfoWars guest! --- complains about a BuzzFeed listicle-grade story that is itself at pains to point out that the (very few) attendees of an anti-left demonstration in Boston were not all white supremacists. As you've no doubt surmised: not many people are interested in following you down "Hard News Network" video rabbit holes, for the same reason that even though the big-bad-scary-media reports it to be so, we're also not all that interested in what Alex Jones has to say about the Sandy Hook victims or the effectiveness of vaccines. As I said, the picture you're painting of yourself is not the same picture Shiva Ayyadurai has painted of himself. But I can sum both up as: "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
    - tptacek 8y ago
      By the way: it is my understanding, a personal, subjective understanding based on reportage and accounts from other people that I have read, presented here as a statement of my own opinion and not a relation of specific facts, that the claim that Shiva Ayyadurai invented email is laughable.
      - stcredzero 8y ago
        By the way: it is my understanding, a personal, subjective understanding based on reportage and accounts from other people that I have read, presented here as a statement of my own opinion and not a relation of specific facts, that the claim that Shiva Ayyadurai invented email is laughable. I wouldn't disagree with that. None of that is really relevant, however.
        tptacek 8y ago
        It's not relevant whether the source you presented for your claim that the media got the Boston right-wing rally wrong is himself (a conclusion I've drawn from sources and reporting and, to be clear, a statement of pure opinion and not of fact, and I will remind you: opinion about a very public figure) habitually dishonest?

tptacek 8y ago

If you think agreeing to appear in a video with a white supremacist and joking about his "kek" statue doesn't paint at least part of a picture, and that suggesting otherwise is "guilt by association", that's on you. To me, it's more telling that your best, leading example of a place where the media got its facts wrong is Shiva Ayyadurai is also telling, and also paints part of a picture (not one I've described on the thread so far, just to be clear).

stcredzero 8y ago
If you think agreeing to appear in a video with a white supremacist and joking about his "kek" statue doesn't paint at least part of a picture "Paint part of a picture," Is just another way of saying "Narrative." To me, it's more telling that your best, leading example of a place where the media got its facts wrong is Shiva Ayyadurai is also telling So it doesn't matter that they got the facts wrong, because the people they are getting the facts wrong about are "bad" people. Sorry, but that's morally bankrupt. That's the classic moral stance to justify propaganda. Who in the past took actions against people they thought were generally bad, facts be damned? You appear to be in an epistemological calamity. You seem to be trapped in a bubble, where proof invalidating the bubble is sequestered through unsupported narratives. also paints part of a picture (not one I've described on the thread so far, just to be clear) So then you threaten to tar me by association as well? Again, it's this pushing of a narrative with no proof. (Just to be clear, all identitarians are in the wrong. All politics by violence is bad. All politics by intimidation is equally bad, as is disdain for facts and the truth.)
- tptacek 8y ago
  I am simply going to point out again that your best example of the media getting its facts wrong is a video in which "Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai,PhD(M.I.T.) Inventor of Email" --- a repeat InfoWars guest! --- complains about a BuzzFeed listicle-grade story that is itself at pains to point out that the (very few) attendees of an anti-left demonstration in Boston were not all white supremacists. As you've no doubt surmised: not many people are interested in following you down "Hard News Network" video rabbit holes, for the same reason that even though the big-bad-scary-media reports it to be so, we're also not all that interested in what Alex Jones has to say about the Sandy Hook victims or the effectiveness of vaccines. As I said, the picture you're painting of yourself is not the same picture Shiva Ayyadurai has painted of himself. But I can sum both up as: "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
  - tptacek 8y ago
    By the way: it is my understanding, a personal, subjective understanding based on reportage and accounts from other people that I have read, presented here as a statement of my own opinion and not a relation of specific facts, that the claim that Shiva Ayyadurai invented email is laughable.
    - stcredzero 8y ago
      By the way: it is my understanding, a personal, subjective understanding based on reportage and accounts from other people that I have read, presented here as a statement of my own opinion and not a relation of specific facts, that the claim that Shiva Ayyadurai invented email is laughable. I wouldn't disagree with that. None of that is really relevant, however.
      - tptacek 8y ago
        It's not relevant whether the source you presented for your claim that the media got the Boston right-wing rally wrong is himself (a conclusion I've drawn from sources and reporting and, to be clear, a statement of pure opinion and not of fact, and I will remind you: opinion about a very public figure) habitually dishonest?