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Like any retailer does with its private brands on the same shelves?

by ymolodtsov 8y ago

StavrosK 8y ago
Yes.
- lostmyoldone 8y ago
  Not really. It's trivial to change retailer, not so changing which app-store you use, especially not on Apple hardware.
  - threeseed 8y ago
    No it's not trivial to change retailer for some products. I can't buy a Tesla, Tiffanys etc at any other place except their retail store.
    - cannonedhamster 8y ago
      If you add new tires to your Tesla when you sell them you can sell the new tires with it. Try selling your apps when you sell your old iPhone. Your car is also repairable. Your iPhone is meant to be thrown away. (Not an issue exclusive iPhones)
      - threeseed 8y ago
        It is nonsense to say that iPhone is not repairable. You can goto any city on this planet and find hundreds of small third party stores who will repair it. Everything from cracked screen, new case, battery replacement etc.
BoorishBears 8y ago
The private brand doesn't have a magical ability to appear in your shopping cart when you pull out it out of the coral, or better integrate itself with the shelves in your home because the retailer also built that house.
lostmyoldone 8y ago
Not really. You can usually choose another retail chain if you think the one you currently use is pricing competing products unfairly towardd with their own brand. In the case of Apples App Store, you can't change store without a significant cost in both time and money. You literally have to buy a non-Apple phone to be able to change retailer. Potentially also having to leave behind significant already paid for products, both hardware and software.
- BoorishBears 8y ago
  Eh, while I’m staunchly against Apple's integrations, the App Store isn’t a relevant factor imo. These are things inside one store, as in Spotify and Apple Music are both for sale in the one store, and while Apple takes a cut, which could force Spotify to increase their price, they do have full pricing autonomy. I’m not entirely against the fact that Apple has a walled garden in the form of the App Store, just because they do seem to invest in keeping a certain standard of quality unlike Google, but I’d say that’s a separate issue. And Spotify probably doesn’t want to be in the store business anyways even if Apple allowed it, Epic Games is probably the first major case I heard of a company doing similar on Android (where it’s allowed) and almost immediately they opened a security vulnerability into everyone’s phones so...
  - lostmyoldone 8y ago
    I don't really understand your counter argument. As I was responding to a comment regarding similarities between the app store and a common retail store, I can't see how the app store could ever be irrelevant in this particular comparison?
    - BoorishBears 8y ago
      > As I was responding to a comment regarding similarities between the app store and a common retail store I read that comment as regarding similarities between two different apps that stream music, and two different brands of the same product in a store. The store the two brands are in isn't really relevant past the fact the same company that that owns the store owns one of the brands, and certainly the nature of the store doesn't affect the comparison.

Like any retailer does with its private brands on the same shelves?

StavrosK 8y ago

Yes.

lostmyoldone 8y ago
Not really. It's trivial to change retailer, not so changing which app-store you use, especially not on Apple hardware.
- threeseed 8y ago
  No it's not trivial to change retailer for some products. I can't buy a Tesla, Tiffanys etc at any other place except their retail store.
  - cannonedhamster 8y ago
    If you add new tires to your Tesla when you sell them you can sell the new tires with it. Try selling your apps when you sell your old iPhone. Your car is also repairable. Your iPhone is meant to be thrown away. (Not an issue exclusive iPhones)
    - threeseed 8y ago
      It is nonsense to say that iPhone is not repairable. You can goto any city on this planet and find hundreds of small third party stores who will repair it. Everything from cracked screen, new case, battery replacement etc.

BoorishBears 8y ago

The private brand doesn't have a magical ability to appear in your shopping cart when you pull out it out of the coral, or better integrate itself with the shelves in your home because the retailer also built that house.

lostmyoldone 8y ago

Not really. You can usually choose another retail chain if you think the one you currently use is pricing competing products unfairly towardd with their own brand. In the case of Apples App Store, you can't change store without a significant cost in both time and money. You literally have to buy a non-Apple phone to be able to change retailer. Potentially also having to leave behind significant already paid for products, both hardware and software.

BoorishBears 8y ago
Eh, while I’m staunchly against Apple's integrations, the App Store isn’t a relevant factor imo. These are things inside one store, as in Spotify and Apple Music are both for sale in the one store, and while Apple takes a cut, which could force Spotify to increase their price, they do have full pricing autonomy. I’m not entirely against the fact that Apple has a walled garden in the form of the App Store, just because they do seem to invest in keeping a certain standard of quality unlike Google, but I’d say that’s a separate issue. And Spotify probably doesn’t want to be in the store business anyways even if Apple allowed it, Epic Games is probably the first major case I heard of a company doing similar on Android (where it’s allowed) and almost immediately they opened a security vulnerability into everyone’s phones so...
- lostmyoldone 8y ago
  I don't really understand your counter argument. As I was responding to a comment regarding similarities between the app store and a common retail store, I can't see how the app store could ever be irrelevant in this particular comparison?
  - BoorishBears 8y ago
    > As I was responding to a comment regarding similarities between the app store and a common retail store I read that comment as regarding similarities between two different apps that stream music, and two different brands of the same product in a store. The store the two brands are in isn't really relevant past the fact the same company that that owns the store owns one of the brands, and certainly the nature of the store doesn't affect the comparison.