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I agree with Elizabeth Warren that Apple should not be allowed to do this. They create the marketplace and then compete in it giving themselves advantages that

• artur_makly 8y ago
  But doesn't Amazon do the exact same thing?
  • fbelzile 8y ago
    Yes. Amazon would also be impacted by Elizabeth Warren's plan.
  • sanketskasar 8y ago
    And so does Google on Android. Sure you could argue about side loading apps using other Android app stores, but do they provide timely updates and security as Google Play Store?
    • lostmyoldone 8y ago
      Why wouldn't they? No matter the app store, I imagine the developers would want their users to have recent versions installed, at least the ones who would update them on Google Play.
• dvtrn 8y ago
  Not so sure I can buy in on the idea that Apple created the music streaming market. They own the iTunes platform, but the whole marketplace? That feels a bit hyperbolic to me.
  • guelo 8y ago
    The marketplace in this case is iPhone apps.
    • dvtrn 8y ago
      Maybe it would help if I read the entirety of Sen. Warren's statements, if you have a link at the ready I'd be happy to read it for myself. Otherwise I'll try to hunt it down and share for others who may be curious/interested to do the same.
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  • ghaff 8y ago
    Apple arguably created (or at least played a huge role in taking mainstream) a la carte digital music downloads. They certainly didn't create streaming. Arguably, Rhapsody did although I haven't really researched the history of paid/ad supported music streaming.
    • dvtrn 8y ago
      They certainly didn't create streaming. Arguably, Rhapsody did That's the name that eluded me; my initial comment was going to mention Grooveshark but was sure there was another player who was in on the game very early on so thanks for jogging the memory there.
    • fivre 8y ago
      Napster created and popularized a la carte digital music downloads :) Apple just had the market clout to make labels acquiesce to doing it legally.
    • reaperducer 8y ago
      Did RealPlayer have some streaming subscription channels?
• ymolodtsov 8y ago
  Like any retailer does with its private brands on the same shelves?
  • StavrosK 8y ago
    Yes.
    • lostmyoldone 8y ago
      Not really. It's trivial to change retailer, not so changing which app-store you use, especially not on Apple hardware.
      • threeseed 8y ago
        No it's not trivial to change retailer for some products. I can't buy a Tesla, Tiffanys etc at any other place except their retail store.
        • cannonedhamster 8y ago
          If you add new tires to your Tesla when you sell them you can sell the new tires with it. Try selling your apps when you sell your old iPhone. Your car is also repairable. Your iPhone is meant to be thrown away. (Not an issue exclusive iPhones)
          • threeseed 8y ago
            It is nonsense to say that iPhone is not repairable. You can goto any city on this planet and find hundreds of small third party stores who will repair it. Everything from cracked screen, new case, battery replacement etc.
  • BoorishBears 8y ago
    The private brand doesn't have a magical ability to appear in your shopping cart when you pull out it out of the coral, or better integrate itself with the shelves in your home because the retailer also built that house.
• ghaff 8y ago
  I might buy an argument if full Apple Music were bundled into the purchase price of an iPhone or Apple blocked Spotify but that's not the case here. You still need to buy a subscription and downloading a Spotify app is just a few clicks away.
  • mortenjorck 8y ago
    I’d agree with you if it weren’t for the fact that Apple blocks Spotify from offering its own subscription link in the app. By forcing businesses on the App Store to choose between Apple’s in-app purchase system for a 30% cut and using an external payment processor that they are forbidden from linking to (or even referencing!) in the app, Apple retains a substantial, anti-competitive advantage over anyone operating on its platform.
    • thought_alarm 8y ago
      Apple's cut on subscriptions is 15%, not 30%.
      • nikofeyn 8y ago
        spotify is charged 30%. https://timetoplayfair.com/facts/ https://timetoplayfair.com/facts/
        • dvtrn 8y ago
          I find this to be pretty elucidating on the situation of Apple/Spotify. I'll admit Warren's suggestion had me raising a bit of an eyebrow but taking the time to understand Spotify's position a bit definitely gave me some clarity and I'm certainly less incredulous than I was before. Given the debate at hand, this link is definitely worth a read.
        • jpincheira 8y ago
          This somehow will have to change. The top grossing iOS app (Tinder.app) somehow is not really complaining about this though, but that's because most their revenue comes from the iOS in app purchases.
• polskibus 8y ago
  It's similar to all cloud companies. They provide infrastructure services first. Then they observe what services built on top sell best. Then they provide software as a service that competes with similar services on the their platform.
  • burke 8y ago
    For what it's worth, I only switched from Spotify to Apple music because it integrates better with the rest of the Apple ecosystem, despite the core experience being worse. The fact that this is true not for lack of willingness on Spotify's part, but because Apple restricts integration for third-party developers is the reason Apple should be absolutely nailed to the wall with an antitrust charge.