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97% of Internet now full up
- Aaronontheweb 16y agoTime for IPv6!
- alanh 16y agoThere’s no place like ::1!
- ams6110 16y agoBy way of NAT there is effectively unlimited IPv4 space. I predict IPv6 will continue its very slow pace of adoption for quite some time.
- msbarnett 16y agoISP-level NAT is a nightmare scenario for anything P2P; you can say goodbye to skype and bittorrent under "effectively unlimited" NAT'd IPv4.
- cperciva 16y agoPersonally, I'd say that's an advantage.
- stcredzero 16y agoMeh. My guess is you'd see someone provide a cloud-based relay solution to enable initial connections. The problem is really no different than that faced by Skype and NAT. Even if provided for-pay, it would be dirt cheap yet have huge margins.
- omh 16y agoThis is happening already for much of the 3G internet (at least here in the UK). Perhaps we'll end up with an internet-routable IPv4 address being a chargable extra from ISPs. That could be easier for them than rolling out IPv6, at least in the short term.
- wladimir 16y agoHere, providers are already working on rolling out IPv6. I think initially they will give both a IPv4 and IPv6 address. If you stay on IPv4, fine, but you'll eventually have to live with NAT.
- kree10 16y agohttp://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-addr... How long before one of the companies sitting on "legacy class A" IP space sells them off? Are any of them doing this already?
- fanf2 16y agoIt would be foolish to do it now when IP addresses are still available for a fairly modest fee. If you wait a year for the RIR free pools to empty then IP address trading could well become big business.
- qntm 16y agoOrganisations who have been assigned /8s were almost uniformly assigned them very early in the internet's lifespan. That marks out those organisations as those with a vested interest in the internet-- that is, science and technology organisations. In the 15 years that have passed since then, there's an excellent chance that they'll have expanded to internally allocate or at least earmark all the IP space available to them. Freeing up even half of the block would probably require a huge amount of internal reconfiguration and only buy the IPv4 internet another few weeks at most. Of course, if it could turn some profit, that makes it more likely.
- kree10 16y agoI'm mainly thinking of companies like Eli Lilly or Ford. How much of their public /8 space are they really using? If/when the ipv4 crisis happens, yes, it should be worth their while to redo their networks to sell off a /8. Even with some of the tech companies with /8s like HP (who has two, since they own DEC) or Apple, it probably will (but not yet) make economic sense to sell.
- brk 16y agoThese articles are slightly misleading. The blocks have been assigned to ISPs, not to Users. There is a still a modestly large (albeit shrinking) pool of IPv4 addresses available for end-user use. I still don't anticipate actual scarcity of IPv4 address space for another few years, though it sucks if you try to start an ISP in that time, as you likely wouldn't be abel to get any IPv4 address space allocated to you.
- joeyh 16y agoNo, they have been assigned to RIRs, not ISPs. The RIRs have their own pools that they can assign to new ISPs.
- brk 16y agoYes, true, but last time I was involved it was getting pretty difficult for startup ISP's to get allocations. You pretty much had to get a temporary allocation from an existing provider until you got large enough to justify your own directly-allocated netblocks. Anyway, I wasn't trying to get overly deep with my original post, just point out that in this case "fully allocated" is far from "no more available addresses".
- mike_esspe 16y agoIdea for startup: create a market for reselling IP addresses? IPv4 Exchange :)
- astrange 16y agoIP addresses are owned by IANA, not the user. They can't be sold.
- brk 16y agoNot to mention it's not easy to just randomly route specific IP addresses to specific locations. The IPs generally have to be part of a larger netblock, and associated with an ASN to enable border routers to figure out where to send stuff without requiring them to need 1TB of memory for routing tables...
- pjy04 16y agoThe new Y2K scare
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- makeramen 16y agoanyone know what the exact number of remaining IPs are in that 3%?