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I'm speaking loosely, but by "valid" here I just mean "a full person with human dignity and value." James' Heritage Foundation has come out strongly in favor of

I'm speaking loosely, but by "valid" here I just mean "a full person with human dignity and value." James' Heritage Foundation has come out strongly in favor of the Trump administration's attempts to ban transgender people from military service, which is somewhat incompatible with the view that transgender people are valid.

kuzehanka 8y ago
Why do you care only about transgender people? There are hundreds of larger groups which face far more severe marginalisation in society. Trans people have a net positive social status where they are actively sought by employers. Isn't it time to move on to helping other minorities? Looking at your comments here, it's starting to look like you have a singular agenda will just support whatever larger movement best aligns to it without considering the moral or fairness implications. Nothing wrong with that I guess, but that is the antithesis of inclusiveness or ethics.
- fixermark 8y ago
  "Whataboutism" is a common way to derail a topic and, carried to its limit, suggests that all action is equally futile because there's always some more worthy cause. I have transgender, transsexual, and transvestite friends who I care deeply about. That's absolutely true. I want the world to be more welcoming to them, because I see the disapproval society heaps upon them as sitting at one of those particular intersections of unfair and unnecessary. If you have groups you also care deeply about, feel free to share.
- tzs 8y ago
  > There are hundreds of larger groups which face far more severe marginalisation in society. Trans people have a net positive social status where they are actively sought by employers. Isn't it time to move on to helping other minorities? This sounds like you think we need to serialize helping marginalized groups. Was that the intent?
  - kuzehanka 8y ago
    I'd like to understand the priority order I guess? By all metrics the homeless population is in far more need of attention than the trans community for example. I'm totally okay with that particular poster continuing to focus on the trans community because of their own personal agenda, but pretending that they represent inclusion or fairness is an outright lie at that point.
- omnipugent 8y ago
  People who identify as Jewish make up only 1.4% of the US population. Why should 'helping other minorities' be exclusionary. Who is this 'other'? Trans people are NOT actively sought by employers - I've personally witness the exact opposite. Maybe the issue is that people - including those who use religion as a form of control - have forgotten the Golden Rule.

kuzehanka 8y ago

Why do you care only about transgender people? There are hundreds of larger groups which face far more severe marginalisation in society. Trans people have a net positive social status where they are actively sought by employers. Isn't it time to move on to helping other minorities? Looking at your comments here, it's starting to look like you have a singular agenda will just support whatever larger movement best aligns to it without considering the moral or fairness implications. Nothing wrong with that I guess, but that is the antithesis of inclusiveness or ethics.

fixermark 8y ago
"Whataboutism" is a common way to derail a topic and, carried to its limit, suggests that all action is equally futile because there's always some more worthy cause. I have transgender, transsexual, and transvestite friends who I care deeply about. That's absolutely true. I want the world to be more welcoming to them, because I see the disapproval society heaps upon them as sitting at one of those particular intersections of unfair and unnecessary. If you have groups you also care deeply about, feel free to share.
tzs 8y ago
> There are hundreds of larger groups which face far more severe marginalisation in society. Trans people have a net positive social status where they are actively sought by employers. Isn't it time to move on to helping other minorities? This sounds like you think we need to serialize helping marginalized groups. Was that the intent?
- kuzehanka 8y ago
  I'd like to understand the priority order I guess? By all metrics the homeless population is in far more need of attention than the trans community for example. I'm totally okay with that particular poster continuing to focus on the trans community because of their own personal agenda, but pretending that they represent inclusion or fairness is an outright lie at that point.
omnipugent 8y ago
People who identify as Jewish make up only 1.4% of the US population. Why should 'helping other minorities' be exclusionary. Who is this 'other'? Trans people are NOT actively sought by employers - I've personally witness the exact opposite. Maybe the issue is that people - including those who use religion as a form of control - have forgotten the Golden Rule.