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I'm not calling this out just to be critical. I call this out because I don't want people to be blocked from doing their jobs productively, or at all, due to an

I'm not calling this out just to be critical. I call this out because I don't want people to be blocked from doing their jobs productively, or at all, due to an accessibility problem that could have been prevented.

giornogiovanna 8y ago
Still, by your logic, every app must be translated into every language. It's okay to exclude people, especially when you're small and don't have the resources to cater for the needs of every single person.
- anoncake 8y ago
  People can learn foreign languages. Disabled people cant stop being disabled.
  - HeWhoLurksLate 8y ago
    The impossible just takes longer. And money. https://www.mayo.edu/research/departments-divisions/department-neurology/programs/neuro-regeneration-spinal-cord-injury https://www.mayo.edu/research/departments-divisions/departme...
- Piskvorrr 8y ago
  Nope. The point is "the underlying toolkit should enable this." I18n and l10n are somewhat better supported in this regard than a11y.
- geofft 8y ago
  Apps should be translatable, even if they're not translated. If you're small, you're not obligated to translate an app to every possible language, but it is bad engineering to make your UI dependent on your primary language in a way which would make it hard to ever add support for a new one.
- austincheney 8y ago
  Translatable not translated. Failing to see the difference is likely an accessibility violation.
dosy 8y ago
This is not a software problem. Software doesn't need to absorb every requirement. You can prevent this problem in ways that don't involve pretending that somehow it's the responsibility of every software developer to use a11y in every product. So judging as if that's in scope is incorrect, is a wasteful use of judgement and, if people are convinced, a wasteful use of software resources. Doing that is just harming a11y efforts, by insisting software must be the fix, when there are plenty of other solutions that don't involve rewriting / redesigning a piece of software, likely to deliver solutions faster or better than changes to software. At this point, I really don't know why you keep advocating this path as your goal can be achieved through other means. Get off the idea that a11y critiques are the ultimate trump card. They are not.

giornogiovanna 8y ago

Still, by your logic, every app must be translated into every language. It's okay to exclude people, especially when you're small and don't have the resources to cater for the needs of every single person.

anoncake 8y ago
People can learn foreign languages. Disabled people cant stop being disabled.
- HeWhoLurksLate 8y ago
  The impossible just takes longer. And money. https://www.mayo.edu/research/departments-divisions/department-neurology/programs/neuro-regeneration-spinal-cord-injury https://www.mayo.edu/research/departments-divisions/departme...
Piskvorrr 8y ago
Nope. The point is "the underlying toolkit should enable this." I18n and l10n are somewhat better supported in this regard than a11y.
geofft 8y ago
Apps should be translatable, even if they're not translated. If you're small, you're not obligated to translate an app to every possible language, but it is bad engineering to make your UI dependent on your primary language in a way which would make it hard to ever add support for a new one.
austincheney 8y ago
Translatable not translated. Failing to see the difference is likely an accessibility violation.

dosy 8y ago

This is not a software problem. Software doesn't need to absorb every requirement. You can prevent this problem in ways that don't involve pretending that somehow it's the responsibility of every software developer to use a11y in every product. So judging as if that's in scope is incorrect, is a wasteful use of judgement and, if people are convinced, a wasteful use of software resources. Doing that is just harming a11y efforts, by insisting software must be the fix, when there are plenty of other solutions that don't involve rewriting / redesigning a piece of software, likely to deliver solutions faster or better than changes to software. At this point, I really don't know why you keep advocating this path as your goal can be achieved through other means. Get off the idea that a11y critiques are the ultimate trump card. They are not.