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The easiest way to debunk your claim that it is purely propaganda is to give easy counter-examples. In this case, may I present to you New York's finest: The MT

by jimmy1 8y ago

The easiest way to debunk your claim that it is purely propaganda is to give easy counter-examples. In this case, may I present to you New York's finest: The MTA and LIRR. where rampant abuse of the system is everywhere and somehow, amazingly, have one of the highest disability claim rates out of any group of workers in the country. Either working for the MTA or LIRR is one of the most dangerous jobs in the country, or this is quite literally "organized crime" And who could forget this story? Is this "25 years of propaganda"? https://nypost.com/2013/12/20/ex-lirr-union-boss-in-gravy-train-pension-scheme-gets-8-years/ https://nypost.com/2013/12/20/ex-lirr-union-boss-in-gravy-tr... https://nypost.com/2014/08/06/nearly-all-lirr-workers-have-disability-payments-approved/ https://nypost.com/2014/08/06/nearly-all-lirr-workers-have-d... Anyways, not saying there aren't good, hard working people in unions out there, and they don't provide some functional value, but like anything in life they have become corrupted. Unions can certainly succeed if the the employee side also has a vested interest in the success of the company just as much as the company has, and that balance is maintained. Then, you truly have a collective.

chrisco255 8y ago
An "employee owned organization" seems like a better alternative to unions, in my opinion.
- jimmy1 8y ago
  Really I don't think you need unions at all, at least not now in the information age. If all employees across various industries simply shared salary figures (adjusted for cost of living, of course, to be fair), it would have the same effect as most of the benefits of union membership. That knowledge by itself would be incredibly empowering. The late Alan Kruger pointed this out when reflecting on the famous "Card and Krueger" experiment.
- hnarn 8y ago
  > An "employee owned organization" seems like a better alternative to unions, in my opinion. This statement is completely and utterly nonsensical to anyone that has even a shallow understanding of the history of labour struggles and unionizing.
  - chrisco255 8y ago
    Oh I do understand the history. But with modern employment laws for overtime, safety, harassment, etc, workplace conditions are no longer an issue in the United States. In the meantime employee ownership aligns incentives l to operate efficiently and profitably.

by jimmy1 8y ago

chrisco255 8y ago

An "employee owned organization" seems like a better alternative to unions, in my opinion.

jimmy1 8y ago
Really I don't think you need unions at all, at least not now in the information age. If all employees across various industries simply shared salary figures (adjusted for cost of living, of course, to be fair), it would have the same effect as most of the benefits of union membership. That knowledge by itself would be incredibly empowering. The late Alan Kruger pointed this out when reflecting on the famous "Card and Krueger" experiment.
hnarn 8y ago
> An "employee owned organization" seems like a better alternative to unions, in my opinion. This statement is completely and utterly nonsensical to anyone that has even a shallow understanding of the history of labour struggles and unionizing.
- chrisco255 8y ago
  Oh I do understand the history. But with modern employment laws for overtime, safety, harassment, etc, workplace conditions are no longer an issue in the United States. In the meantime employee ownership aligns incentives l to operate efficiently and profitably.