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50,000 years ago humans did none of that either, yet we were genetically the same species as we are now. There's also something to be said about using your own
by dsabanin 8y ago
50,000 years ago humans did none of that either, yet we were genetically the same species as we are now.
There's also something to be said about using your own ruler when measuring someone else's worth.
- Grustaf 8y agoUnlesa you can imagine mice writing symphonies given enough time, how is that an argument?
- Zigurd 8y agoI can imagine multiple conscious, tool-using, dextrous homo species who bear mostly helpless babies and who cook their food. That happened. I can also imagine conscious species evolving from primates. I can foresee someone being stupid enough to genetically engineer a very smart chimp. That's enough to think differently about some animals.
- Grustaf 8y agoHow so? Clearly Neanderthals were also fundamentally different back in the day, that doesn’t change anyone’s argument.
- JoeAltmaier 8y agoWe changed in those 50,000 years. We are nowhere genetically the same. There was more change in the human genome in the last 50,000 years, than in millions before then. We changed. Into something different. Which is different in kind, from the other animals.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y agoAre we different from the humans still living in tribal hunter-gatherer societies? Are they lesser beings, inherently inferior to our glorious master race?
- Grustaf 8y agoI don’t think we have changed significantly in ways that matter for this discussion. People 50.000 years ago, and indeed Neanderthals, were surely equally able to develop civilisation and high culture, given enough time.
- JoeAltmaier 8y agoIncorrect. We've changed to adapt to sedentary community life with specialization. It is absolutely unclear and unlikely those ancient people and particularly Neanderthals, were able to develop 'high culture'. They were given tens of thousands of years and failed.
- kiliantics 8y agoI don't know how you can decide this is incorrect. Earlier humans likely failed to develop civilisation because they were living under harsher conditions during an ice age. It probably isn't a coincidence that humans became sedentary only after the earth warmed, allowing agrarian communities to be successful.
- Grustaf 8y agoCould you provide some sources, this is a fascinating aubject
- posterboy 8y agoIt's fascinating to think that poetry required a genetic disposition, that might have helped language to evolve. I rhymes in several ways are important for morphology, also alliteration and the like, and that's nothing to say of metaphors or aspects of poetry that I couldn't explain, might not even understand.