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I don't think many would consider Bayer to ever be a "victim". Interesting that on Bayer's wikipedia page [2] there is no link to the Contaminated haemophilia

I don't think many would consider Bayer to ever be a "victim". Interesting that on Bayer's wikipedia page [2] there is no link to the Contaminated haemophilia scandal [1]. In fact Bayer's wikipedia page seems to have been "cleaned". The "Controversies" section is gone. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer

dpwm 8y ago
Wikipedia page cleaning seems to be the norm these days. There are some very peculiar Wikipedia editors who engage in a mix of seemingly-pertinent, well-sourced information removal and spurious mud-slinging. There was the whole "Philip Cross" affair which seemed to be backed up by prominent figures in the Wikipedia community.[0] Unfortunately, even the talk pages seem to be being sanitized now. [0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-44495696 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-44495696
- A2017U1 8y ago
  It's naive to pretend it's not a battlefield.
  - wikipediasOver 8y ago
    Okay, I guess that's the end of Wikipedia then. Time go somewhere else.
loceng 8y ago
It's nonetheless concerning what information an attacker may be trying to access.
trampi 8y ago
Interesting. In the German version of the article [0], you see the list of criticism, including the contaminated haemophilia scandal. [0]: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_AG#Kritik_und_Skandale https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_AG#Kritik_und_Skandale
PietdeVries 8y ago
If only companies/countries/individuals without a scandal or controversy in their history could become a 'victim', the newspapers would be amazingly empty...
strathmeyer 8y ago
Bayer used to have an illegal sign in Pittsburgh. Never seen a company care so little about everyone knowing they break they law.
- thecatspaw 8y ago
  What does it mean to have an illegal sign?
  - checkyoursudo 8y ago
    Probably a sign that doesn't conform to some regulations.
- delish 8y ago
  I live in Pittsburgh, and was surprised to hear that sign was illegal. Having googled around, I see a bunch of local papers talking about it, but nobody's saying the sign was illegal, just ugly and using inefficient lighting. https://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2014/07/31/Bayer-pulling-plug-on-sign-atop-Mount-Washington/stories/201407310282 https://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2014/07/31/Bayer-pul...
- danimal88 8y ago
  well, when your company was built on genocide, breaking some local laws around signage seems fine
baud147258 8y ago
It's in the Product/overview section, but it don't explictly say that Bayer was responsible. The controversies section was removed in 2015: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bayer&diff=659392587&oldid=659392416 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bayer&diff=659392... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bayer&diff=next&oldid=659392587 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bayer&diff=next&o...
thecatspaw 8y ago
Despite any judgements, they are a victim in the sense that a perpetrator launched an attack on them. Wether that attack is justified or not I'll not comment on
dhx 8y ago
The information instead exists in the Products -> Overview section. The entire section is mostly dedicated to listing controversies and one has to read past these controversies to find out what products are sold by the company. Products that include one of the company's top selling drugs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciprofloxacin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciprofloxacin which is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines. The Products -> Overview section is very pessimistic in its description of products produced by the company, which doesn't seem fair when balanced against products which are deemed essential to world health. I've also updated information on contaminated haemophilia blood products in Wikidata[1]. Wikidata is not limited by article lengths and the need to prioritise the layout of sections and information in the same way that Wikipedia is. [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q928528 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q928528
chodeboy 8y ago
I don't get it... After a you have committed a crime (and you were punished for) you are free to be done crime against without repercussions? Sometimes I wonder where the keyboard warriors on this forum get their moral compass from... This codex isn't even consistent. If your past deeds define the rights you have in court today Bayer would probably win any case against it considering their inventions in medicine probably saved hundreds of thousands of peoples' lives. This feudal mindset is so backwards it would even make the pope blush.
danimal88 8y ago
Bayer is a filthy company that should have been shut down after being a key Nazi collaborator along with IBM, Siemens and others. Sure, they might be the victim of some cyber warfare, but in aggregate, they will never be a victim in my book, just a giant enterprise built on murder. https://ahrp.org/auschwitz60-year-anniversary-the-role-of-ig-farben-bayer/ https://ahrp.org/auschwitz60-year-anniversary-the-role-of-ig...
gotocake 8y ago
Don’t forget their newest ongoing issue with Primodos in the U.K.! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primodos https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primodos https://news.sky.com/story/primodos-drug-linked-to-birth-defects-not-assessed-properly-in-uk-review-11684027 https://news.sky.com/story/primodos-drug-linked-to-birth-def... Of course Bayer is still insisting that everything is kosher. Well, not kosher, their response to that was creating Zyclon B when they were still part of IG Farben. It would seem that their commitment to morality remains broadly unchanged.

dpwm 8y ago

Wikipedia page cleaning seems to be the norm these days. There are some very peculiar Wikipedia editors who engage in a mix of seemingly-pertinent, well-sourced information removal and spurious mud-slinging. There was the whole "Philip Cross" affair which seemed to be backed up by prominent figures in the Wikipedia community.[0] Unfortunately, even the talk pages seem to be being sanitized now. [0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-44495696 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-44495696

A2017U1 8y ago
It's naive to pretend it's not a battlefield.
- wikipediasOver 8y ago
  Okay, I guess that's the end of Wikipedia then. Time go somewhere else.

loceng 8y ago

It's nonetheless concerning what information an attacker may be trying to access.

trampi 8y ago

Interesting. In the German version of the article [0], you see the list of criticism, including the contaminated haemophilia scandal. [0]: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_AG#Kritik_und_Skandale https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_AG#Kritik_und_Skandale

PietdeVries 8y ago

If only companies/countries/individuals without a scandal or controversy in their history could become a 'victim', the newspapers would be amazingly empty...

strathmeyer 8y ago

Bayer used to have an illegal sign in Pittsburgh. Never seen a company care so little about everyone knowing they break they law.

thecatspaw 8y ago
What does it mean to have an illegal sign?
- checkyoursudo 8y ago
  Probably a sign that doesn't conform to some regulations.
delish 8y ago
I live in Pittsburgh, and was surprised to hear that sign was illegal. Having googled around, I see a bunch of local papers talking about it, but nobody's saying the sign was illegal, just ugly and using inefficient lighting. https://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2014/07/31/Bayer-pulling-plug-on-sign-atop-Mount-Washington/stories/201407310282 https://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2014/07/31/Bayer-pul...
danimal88 8y ago
well, when your company was built on genocide, breaking some local laws around signage seems fine

baud147258 8y ago

It's in the Product/overview section, but it don't explictly say that Bayer was responsible. The controversies section was removed in 2015: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bayer&diff=659392587&oldid=659392416 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bayer&diff=659392... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bayer&diff=next&oldid=659392587 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bayer&diff=next&o...

thecatspaw 8y ago

Despite any judgements, they are a victim in the sense that a perpetrator launched an attack on them. Wether that attack is justified or not I'll not comment on

dhx 8y ago

The information instead exists in the Products -> Overview section. The entire section is mostly dedicated to listing controversies and one has to read past these controversies to find out what products are sold by the company. Products that include one of the company's top selling drugs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciprofloxacin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciprofloxacin which is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines. The Products -> Overview section is very pessimistic in its description of products produced by the company, which doesn't seem fair when balanced against products which are deemed essential to world health. I've also updated information on contaminated haemophilia blood products in Wikidata[1]. Wikidata is not limited by article lengths and the need to prioritise the layout of sections and information in the same way that Wikipedia is. [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q928528 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q928528

chodeboy 8y ago

I don't get it... After a you have committed a crime (and you were punished for) you are free to be done crime against without repercussions? Sometimes I wonder where the keyboard warriors on this forum get their moral compass from... This codex isn't even consistent. If your past deeds define the rights you have in court today Bayer would probably win any case against it considering their inventions in medicine probably saved hundreds of thousands of peoples' lives. This feudal mindset is so backwards it would even make the pope blush.

danimal88 8y ago

Bayer is a filthy company that should have been shut down after being a key Nazi collaborator along with IBM, Siemens and others. Sure, they might be the victim of some cyber warfare, but in aggregate, they will never be a victim in my book, just a giant enterprise built on murder. https://ahrp.org/auschwitz60-year-anniversary-the-role-of-ig-farben-bayer/ https://ahrp.org/auschwitz60-year-anniversary-the-role-of-ig...

gotocake 8y ago

Don’t forget their newest ongoing issue with Primodos in the U.K.! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primodos https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primodos https://news.sky.com/story/primodos-drug-linked-to-birth-defects-not-assessed-properly-in-uk-review-11684027 https://news.sky.com/story/primodos-drug-linked-to-birth-def... Of course Bayer is still insisting that everything is kosher. Well, not kosher, their response to that was creating Zyclon B when they were still part of IG Farben. It would seem that their commitment to morality remains broadly unchanged.