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If by "recently" you mean 5 years ago. And by "illegal to do paternity testing" you mean "illegal to do secret paternity testing by private citizens without a c

by mejari 8y ago

If by "recently" you mean 5 years ago. And by "illegal to do paternity testing" you mean "illegal to do secret paternity testing by private citizens without a court order". So your claim seems very false, and doesn't back up your idea that "their populations of single mothers would skyrocket".

black-tea 8y ago
The lengths people will go to to disagree with something that makes them uncomfortable... I guess it's also not illegal to break into somebody's house because, you know, you can do it with a court order. And your other point is about five years not being recent? So, OK, given that five years is ages ago, and it's not technically illegal, why do you think France passed this law?
- mejari 8y ago
  Well, it's very strange. I'm trying to look up more about it but at least the first 5 pages of google results are all from MRA/redpill type hate groups, so it seems this is one of those issues that has been latched onto to create anger around without providing much actual reasoning. Also, not sure why you feel the need to attack me personally, as if I'm going to "lengths" by pointing out when you've said incorrect things because something (not sure what) makes me uncomfortable? Anyway, I was able to find a quote from an actual French official on the subject: >Nadine Morano, France’s junior minister for the family, says foreign tests are not reliable and warns against “the psychological impact of results”. She has spoken of the danger that “If all fathers start asking whether they’re really the fathers of their children, we enter into a society of doubt that imperils the family.”[0] Personally I disagree with the idea, but it seems you've heard/created a twisted interpretation of the intent behind such laws (which are not limited to France, Germany has instituted similar laws, yet France seems to be the target of this particular rage-fest). 0: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/french-men-s-insecurity-over-paternity-of-offspring-creating-a-society-of-doubt-1.773569 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/french-men-s-insecurity-over...
  - black-tea 8y ago
    There you go again: something makes you uncomfortable, it's a "hate group". Predictable behaviour of a non-thinking person. Let's not forget what I was talking about which is lies holding together society. I saw the same quotes from French officials that you did. I don't know how that can be interpreted as anything but "we know a large proportion of men aren't raising their own children, but we need them to or society starts to fall apart". The reason you only find talk from "hate groups" on Google is, they are the only ones talking but it in English.
    - mejari 8y ago
      >There you go again: something makes you uncomfortable, it's a "hate group" I don't believe I've ever said something is a hate group because it makes me uncomfortable. I labeled the things I mentioned as hate groups because they fix the criteria as such. Why are you asserting my feelings on the subject? >Let's not forget what I was talking about which is lies holding together society. I saw the same quotes from French officials that you did. I don't know how that can be interpreted as anything but "we know a large proportion of men aren't raising their own children, but we need them to or society starts to fall apart". I mean, the actual reading of the quote is an interpretation that doesn't say that. You may not believe it but don't be obtuse by ignoring words in front of your face. >The reason you only find talk from "hate groups" on Google is, they are the only ones talking but it in English. And you don't find that at all suspicious that maybe your view on this is being shaped by a very specifically pushed narrative? Are you reading French articles on the subject?
      - AntiTechTechie 8y ago
        > I labeled the things I mentioned as hate groups because they fix the criteria as such. How exactly do MRAs fit the criteria?

by mejari 8y ago

black-tea 8y ago

The lengths people will go to to disagree with something that makes them uncomfortable... I guess it's also not illegal to break into somebody's house because, you know, you can do it with a court order. And your other point is about five years not being recent? So, OK, given that five years is ages ago, and it's not technically illegal, why do you think France passed this law?

mejari 8y ago
Well, it's very strange. I'm trying to look up more about it but at least the first 5 pages of google results are all from MRA/redpill type hate groups, so it seems this is one of those issues that has been latched onto to create anger around without providing much actual reasoning. Also, not sure why you feel the need to attack me personally, as if I'm going to "lengths" by pointing out when you've said incorrect things because something (not sure what) makes me uncomfortable? Anyway, I was able to find a quote from an actual French official on the subject: >Nadine Morano, France’s junior minister for the family, says foreign tests are not reliable and warns against “the psychological impact of results”. She has spoken of the danger that “If all fathers start asking whether they’re really the fathers of their children, we enter into a society of doubt that imperils the family.”[0] Personally I disagree with the idea, but it seems you've heard/created a twisted interpretation of the intent behind such laws (which are not limited to France, Germany has instituted similar laws, yet France seems to be the target of this particular rage-fest). 0: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/french-men-s-insecurity-over-paternity-of-offspring-creating-a-society-of-doubt-1.773569 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/french-men-s-insecurity-over...
- black-tea 8y ago
  There you go again: something makes you uncomfortable, it's a "hate group". Predictable behaviour of a non-thinking person. Let's not forget what I was talking about which is lies holding together society. I saw the same quotes from French officials that you did. I don't know how that can be interpreted as anything but "we know a large proportion of men aren't raising their own children, but we need them to or society starts to fall apart". The reason you only find talk from "hate groups" on Google is, they are the only ones talking but it in English.
  - mejari 8y ago
    >There you go again: something makes you uncomfortable, it's a "hate group" I don't believe I've ever said something is a hate group because it makes me uncomfortable. I labeled the things I mentioned as hate groups because they fix the criteria as such. Why are you asserting my feelings on the subject? >Let's not forget what I was talking about which is lies holding together society. I saw the same quotes from French officials that you did. I don't know how that can be interpreted as anything but "we know a large proportion of men aren't raising their own children, but we need them to or society starts to fall apart". I mean, the actual reading of the quote is an interpretation that doesn't say that. You may not believe it but don't be obtuse by ignoring words in front of your face. >The reason you only find talk from "hate groups" on Google is, they are the only ones talking but it in English. And you don't find that at all suspicious that maybe your view on this is being shaped by a very specifically pushed narrative? Are you reading French articles on the subject?
    - AntiTechTechie 8y ago
      > I labeled the things I mentioned as hate groups because they fix the criteria as such. How exactly do MRAs fit the criteria?