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I'll give you one example. France has recently made it illegal to do paternity testing. Someone clearly understands that without all the lies their population o

I'll give you one example. France has recently made it illegal to do paternity testing. Someone clearly understands that without all the lies their population of single mothers would skyrocket.

bjoli 8y ago
To be clear: France has made private paternity testing illegal, while you can still do it through a court decision. Still weird and the reasoning behind it seems backwards.
- zapdrive 8y ago
  But why make private testing illegal. It's very clear that only a very small percentage of people who wish to get a test done would approach the court, and how many of them would get the order? E.g. I suspected my child was not mine, so I got a test done secretly only to find out my suspicion was wrong and I was actually the father. Would I have approached the court for the test, if it was illegal? Most likely not, and I would have lived the rest of the life in a doubt. And even if I did approach the court, it would have affected my already strained relationship with my wife.
  - bjoli 8y ago
    You'll be even more surprised when you hear that they said something alo g "this rule is good for the piece of mind of the French families".
mejari 8y ago
If by "recently" you mean 5 years ago. And by "illegal to do paternity testing" you mean "illegal to do secret paternity testing by private citizens without a court order". So your claim seems very false, and doesn't back up your idea that "their populations of single mothers would skyrocket".
- black-tea 8y ago
  The lengths people will go to to disagree with something that makes them uncomfortable... I guess it's also not illegal to break into somebody's house because, you know, you can do it with a court order. And your other point is about five years not being recent? So, OK, given that five years is ages ago, and it's not technically illegal, why do you think France passed this law?
  - mejari 8y ago
    Well, it's very strange. I'm trying to look up more about it but at least the first 5 pages of google results are all from MRA/redpill type hate groups, so it seems this is one of those issues that has been latched onto to create anger around without providing much actual reasoning. Also, not sure why you feel the need to attack me personally, as if I'm going to "lengths" by pointing out when you've said incorrect things because something (not sure what) makes me uncomfortable? Anyway, I was able to find a quote from an actual French official on the subject: >Nadine Morano, France’s junior minister for the family, says foreign tests are not reliable and warns against “the psychological impact of results”. She has spoken of the danger that “If all fathers start asking whether they’re really the fathers of their children, we enter into a society of doubt that imperils the family.”[0] Personally I disagree with the idea, but it seems you've heard/created a twisted interpretation of the intent behind such laws (which are not limited to France, Germany has instituted similar laws, yet France seems to be the target of this particular rage-fest). 0: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/french-men-s-insecurity-over-paternity-of-offspring-creating-a-society-of-doubt-1.773569 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/french-men-s-insecurity-over...
    - black-tea 8y ago
      There you go again: something makes you uncomfortable, it's a "hate group". Predictable behaviour of a non-thinking person. Let's not forget what I was talking about which is lies holding together society. I saw the same quotes from French officials that you did. I don't know how that can be interpreted as anything but "we know a large proportion of men aren't raising their own children, but we need them to or society starts to fall apart". The reason you only find talk from "hate groups" on Google is, they are the only ones talking but it in English.

I'll give you one example. France has recently made it illegal to do paternity testing. Someone clearly understands that without all the lies their population of single mothers would skyrocket.

bjoli 8y ago

To be clear: France has made private paternity testing illegal, while you can still do it through a court decision. Still weird and the reasoning behind it seems backwards.

zapdrive 8y ago
But why make private testing illegal. It's very clear that only a very small percentage of people who wish to get a test done would approach the court, and how many of them would get the order? E.g. I suspected my child was not mine, so I got a test done secretly only to find out my suspicion was wrong and I was actually the father. Would I have approached the court for the test, if it was illegal? Most likely not, and I would have lived the rest of the life in a doubt. And even if I did approach the court, it would have affected my already strained relationship with my wife.
- bjoli 8y ago
  You'll be even more surprised when you hear that they said something alo g "this rule is good for the piece of mind of the French families".

mejari 8y ago

If by "recently" you mean 5 years ago. And by "illegal to do paternity testing" you mean "illegal to do secret paternity testing by private citizens without a court order". So your claim seems very false, and doesn't back up your idea that "their populations of single mothers would skyrocket".

black-tea 8y ago
The lengths people will go to to disagree with something that makes them uncomfortable... I guess it's also not illegal to break into somebody's house because, you know, you can do it with a court order. And your other point is about five years not being recent? So, OK, given that five years is ages ago, and it's not technically illegal, why do you think France passed this law?
- mejari 8y ago
  Well, it's very strange. I'm trying to look up more about it but at least the first 5 pages of google results are all from MRA/redpill type hate groups, so it seems this is one of those issues that has been latched onto to create anger around without providing much actual reasoning. Also, not sure why you feel the need to attack me personally, as if I'm going to "lengths" by pointing out when you've said incorrect things because something (not sure what) makes me uncomfortable? Anyway, I was able to find a quote from an actual French official on the subject: >Nadine Morano, France’s junior minister for the family, says foreign tests are not reliable and warns against “the psychological impact of results”. She has spoken of the danger that “If all fathers start asking whether they’re really the fathers of their children, we enter into a society of doubt that imperils the family.”[0] Personally I disagree with the idea, but it seems you've heard/created a twisted interpretation of the intent behind such laws (which are not limited to France, Germany has instituted similar laws, yet France seems to be the target of this particular rage-fest). 0: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/french-men-s-insecurity-over-paternity-of-offspring-creating-a-society-of-doubt-1.773569 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/french-men-s-insecurity-over...
  - black-tea 8y ago
    There you go again: something makes you uncomfortable, it's a "hate group". Predictable behaviour of a non-thinking person. Let's not forget what I was talking about which is lies holding together society. I saw the same quotes from French officials that you did. I don't know how that can be interpreted as anything but "we know a large proportion of men aren't raising their own children, but we need them to or society starts to fall apart". The reason you only find talk from "hate groups" on Google is, they are the only ones talking but it in English.