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This is an ethics council. Things like advocating against the right for certain classes of people to exist in public spaces are relevant to deciding if someone

This is an ethics council. Things like advocating against the right for certain classes of people to exist in public spaces are relevant to deciding if someone should be a member of an ethics council.

AntiTechTechie 7y ago
> advocating against the right for certain classes of people to exist in public spaces When did she do this?
- mike00632 7y ago
  The Heritage Foundation is famous for their attacks on LGBT people, saying that they shouldn't have children and shouldn't have basic human rights. Literally there are tweets from the exact person in question suggesting that trans people don't exist.
  - tree_of_item 7y ago
    Literally there are no such tweets.
    - krishicks 7y ago
      They may be referring to tweets such as this, linked elsewhere in the comments: https://mobile.twitter.com/KayColesJames/status/1108365238779498497 https://mobile.twitter.com/KayColesJames/status/110836523877...
      - tree_of_item 7y ago
        The text of the tweet: > Today @heritage will critique gender identity @UN_CSW because powerful nations are pressing for the radical redefining of sex. If they can change the definition of women to include men, they can erase efforts to empower women economically, socially, and politically. #CSW63 That tweet does not say anything like "trans people don't exist", or that they should be harmed in any way, or that they aren't human. That tweet expresses a perfectly reasonable sentiment that many others share: that human beings are sexually dimorphic and cannot change sex. This sort of hyperbole on the part of transactivists is very frustrating: anyone who doesn't agree with extremist gender ideology is painted as a "bigot". This is more important than one AI ethics panel with questionable authority. Google is in a position to censor and influence a huge amount of speech on the internet, and the fact that they were targeted by and arguably caved to a small extremist group is very troubling.
        yesofcourse 7y ago
        > That tweet does not say anything like "trans people don't exist" It advocates "critiquing gender identity," which I take to mean asserting that gender identity is either not real or not important. Gender identity is the defining characteristic of trans people, so when someone critiques it as a concept, that implies that they think trans identities are made up, possibly for some insidious purpose, ie. that trans people don't really exist. I've heard people say things like "there's no such thing as a transgender, you're either a man or a woman," and this tweet makes me think that James would agree with them. > or that they should be harmed in any way Advocating against legislation to protect marginalized groups harms them directly. > That tweet expresses a perfectly reasonable sentiment that many others share: Many people in the world share the sentiment that apostates should receive the death penalty. If you lived in a place or time where this was considered a reasonable sentiment, I hope that you would not let it stop you from doing everything you could to oppose murdering people. We currently live in a society where many people believe that trans people should not accepted. I'm willing to be an "extremist" in order to change that. > that human beings are sexually dimorphic This tweet says nothing of the sort, nor would I expect it to, as no one in the history of the world has ever suggested the contrary. > and cannot change sex This is a red herring. The public controversy is not over what features of human biology can and cannot be changed, but over how society should treat trans people. > transactivists trans activists > This sort of hyperbole on the part of transactivists is very frustrating: anyone who doesn't agree with extremist gender ideology is painted as a "bigot". If you call the idea that we ought to respect the identites of trans people "extremist gender ideology," I am very happy to call you a bigot.
        tree_of_item 7y ago
        I'll reply to the most salient point: > This tweet says nothing of the sort, nor would I expect it to, as no one in the history of the world has ever suggested the contrary. This is actually a primary claim of transactivists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S0e-i117vY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S0e-i117vY This video contains at least one lawyer from the ACLU, Chase Strangio, claiming that there is no such thing as a "male body" or "female body". They absolutely are against the idea of sexual dimorphism. This video is accompanied by many other articles all arguing that transwomen are "female" because they say so, and therefore should be allowed in women's sex segregated spaces, sports etc. Since "respecting the identities of trans people" is a euphemism for "deny the existence of biological sex", I'm happy to be called a bigot.
- Latteland 7y ago
  She hated on trans people. And science.
  - Latteland 7y ago
    Said another way, she works for an organization that supports extremely dubious scientific anti-global warming 'research'. I won't repost the other postings by people up above that were basically saying transgender people don't exist, or shouldn't exit.

AntiTechTechie 7y ago

> advocating against the right for certain classes of people to exist in public spaces When did she do this?

mike00632 7y ago
The Heritage Foundation is famous for their attacks on LGBT people, saying that they shouldn't have children and shouldn't have basic human rights. Literally there are tweets from the exact person in question suggesting that trans people don't exist.
- tree_of_item 7y ago
  Literally there are no such tweets.
  - krishicks 7y ago
    They may be referring to tweets such as this, linked elsewhere in the comments: https://mobile.twitter.com/KayColesJames/status/1108365238779498497 https://mobile.twitter.com/KayColesJames/status/110836523877...
    - tree_of_item 7y ago
      The text of the tweet: > Today @heritage will critique gender identity @UN_CSW because powerful nations are pressing for the radical redefining of sex. If they can change the definition of women to include men, they can erase efforts to empower women economically, socially, and politically. #CSW63 That tweet does not say anything like "trans people don't exist", or that they should be harmed in any way, or that they aren't human. That tweet expresses a perfectly reasonable sentiment that many others share: that human beings are sexually dimorphic and cannot change sex. This sort of hyperbole on the part of transactivists is very frustrating: anyone who doesn't agree with extremist gender ideology is painted as a "bigot". This is more important than one AI ethics panel with questionable authority. Google is in a position to censor and influence a huge amount of speech on the internet, and the fact that they were targeted by and arguably caved to a small extremist group is very troubling.
      - yesofcourse 7y ago
        > That tweet does not say anything like "trans people don't exist" It advocates "critiquing gender identity," which I take to mean asserting that gender identity is either not real or not important. Gender identity is the defining characteristic of trans people, so when someone critiques it as a concept, that implies that they think trans identities are made up, possibly for some insidious purpose, ie. that trans people don't really exist. I've heard people say things like "there's no such thing as a transgender, you're either a man or a woman," and this tweet makes me think that James would agree with them. > or that they should be harmed in any way Advocating against legislation to protect marginalized groups harms them directly. > That tweet expresses a perfectly reasonable sentiment that many others share: Many people in the world share the sentiment that apostates should receive the death penalty. If you lived in a place or time where this was considered a reasonable sentiment, I hope that you would not let it stop you from doing everything you could to oppose murdering people. We currently live in a society where many people believe that trans people should not accepted. I'm willing to be an "extremist" in order to change that. > that human beings are sexually dimorphic This tweet says nothing of the sort, nor would I expect it to, as no one in the history of the world has ever suggested the contrary. > and cannot change sex This is a red herring. The public controversy is not over what features of human biology can and cannot be changed, but over how society should treat trans people. > transactivists trans activists > This sort of hyperbole on the part of transactivists is very frustrating: anyone who doesn't agree with extremist gender ideology is painted as a "bigot". If you call the idea that we ought to respect the identites of trans people "extremist gender ideology," I am very happy to call you a bigot.
        tree_of_item 7y ago
        I'll reply to the most salient point: > This tweet says nothing of the sort, nor would I expect it to, as no one in the history of the world has ever suggested the contrary. This is actually a primary claim of transactivists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S0e-i117vY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S0e-i117vY This video contains at least one lawyer from the ACLU, Chase Strangio, claiming that there is no such thing as a "male body" or "female body". They absolutely are against the idea of sexual dimorphism. This video is accompanied by many other articles all arguing that transwomen are "female" because they say so, and therefore should be allowed in women's sex segregated spaces, sports etc. Since "respecting the identities of trans people" is a euphemism for "deny the existence of biological sex", I'm happy to be called a bigot.
Latteland 7y ago
She hated on trans people. And science.
- Latteland 7y ago
  Said another way, she works for an organization that supports extremely dubious scientific anti-global warming 'research'. I won't repost the other postings by people up above that were basically saying transgender people don't exist, or shouldn't exit.