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Bear in mind that they're at low altitude and the pilot is busy supplying maximum pull on the yoke, and therefore likely unavailable to help crank a stiff trim

Bear in mind that they're at low altitude and the pilot is busy supplying maximum pull on the yoke, and therefore likely unavailable to help crank a stiff trim wheel.

treis 8y ago
>Bear in mind that they're at low altitude They weren't >the pilot is busy supplying maximum pull on the yoke, Probably not true either >and therefore likely unavailable to help crank a stiff trim wheel Runaway trim should be a recoverable situation. If that's impossible then that means there is a distinct and major issue beyond MCAS.
- ddalex 8y ago
  I wouldn't feed the troll, but I don't want your misinformation to spread. > They weren't They just took off, max height of the airplane was 1000 feet above the ground. That's a definely low altitude. > Runaway trim should be a recoverable situation. The trim pointed the nose down. The aerodynamic forces were so high on the elevator that the trim wheels could not be moved by a single person. This was confirmed in 737 simulator.
  - treis 8y ago
    >They just took off, max height of the airplane was 1000 feet above the ground. That's a definely low altitude. People thought that based on Flightaware data. But if you actually read the report you will see that it is incorrect and they reached about 7,000 feet. >The trim pointed the nose down. Incorrect. The plane was steadily gaining altitude until they re-enabled electric trim. >I wouldn't feed the troll, but I don't want your misinformation to spread. Try being right before throwing around personal insults.
    - ddalex 8y ago
      we must not be reading the same report. I'm speaking specifically about this one: https://avherald.com/h?article=4c534c4a/0023&opt=0 https://avherald.com/h?article=4c534c4a/0023&opt=0 which points clearly to MCAS applying maximum nose down, based on incorrect data from the left alpha sensor, both pilots pulling on their control sticks, and the aircraft failing to gain altitude even before final MCAS activation because the trim could not be manually reset by the F/O. this report contradicts every element that you're pushing (plane reached altitude, pilots didn't pull on the column, the electric trim was not needed, MCAS did not intervene). did I missing anything ?

Bear in mind that they're at low altitude and the pilot is busy supplying maximum pull on the yoke, and therefore likely unavailable to help crank a stiff trim wheel.

treis 8y ago

>Bear in mind that they're at low altitude They weren't >the pilot is busy supplying maximum pull on the yoke, Probably not true either >and therefore likely unavailable to help crank a stiff trim wheel Runaway trim should be a recoverable situation. If that's impossible then that means there is a distinct and major issue beyond MCAS.

ddalex 8y ago
I wouldn't feed the troll, but I don't want your misinformation to spread. > They weren't They just took off, max height of the airplane was 1000 feet above the ground. That's a definely low altitude. > Runaway trim should be a recoverable situation. The trim pointed the nose down. The aerodynamic forces were so high on the elevator that the trim wheels could not be moved by a single person. This was confirmed in 737 simulator.
- treis 8y ago
  >They just took off, max height of the airplane was 1000 feet above the ground. That's a definely low altitude. People thought that based on Flightaware data. But if you actually read the report you will see that it is incorrect and they reached about 7,000 feet. >The trim pointed the nose down. Incorrect. The plane was steadily gaining altitude until they re-enabled electric trim. >I wouldn't feed the troll, but I don't want your misinformation to spread. Try being right before throwing around personal insults.
  - ddalex 8y ago
    we must not be reading the same report. I'm speaking specifically about this one: https://avherald.com/h?article=4c534c4a/0023&opt=0 https://avherald.com/h?article=4c534c4a/0023&opt=0 which points clearly to MCAS applying maximum nose down, based on incorrect data from the left alpha sensor, both pilots pulling on their control sticks, and the aircraft failing to gain altitude even before final MCAS activation because the trim could not be manually reset by the F/O. this report contradicts every element that you're pushing (plane reached altitude, pilots didn't pull on the column, the electric trim was not needed, MCAS did not intervene). did I missing anything ?