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Regarding the Boston rally and the south Asian candidate: you're talking about Shiva Ayyadurai, the guy who (in my understanding of reports, which could be erro

Regarding the Boston rally and the south Asian candidate: you're talking about Shiva Ayyadurai, the guy who (in my understanding of reports, which could be erroneous) sues people who contradict his claim of having invented electronic mail, has (to my understanding, which could be flawed) appeared on white supremacist podcasts, and used (as I understand it, based on reports) a caricature of himself as Pepe the Frog in his campaign pins? Who appeared (I have read in sources) in a video with a Charlottesville alt-righter None of that is evidence this guy is a white supremacist. Which podcast did he appear on? and "blessed" a statue of "kek"? That's the basis of your claim that the media got this story wrong? That's hardly evidence of anything. The "Kek" character meant a lot of things to different people. Again, this is an example of narrative pushing and Citogenesis. Yours is the side that has to explain away facts with narratives. If you look at the Hard Bastard video, you'll see a number of brown faces in that "white supremacist" rally. To explain that away, you need more narrative. In any case, that narrative isn't even sufficient to avoid the charge that the media is being misled by narratives. By the network's own telling, they "didn't have access" to the Gazebo and what was going on. So on what did they base their narrative? The answer, is that they just took the narrative from far left people and didn't check. Also, note that the VidCon event fits this pattern. Video evidence from facts on the ground tell us: Some people are attending a convention together and just sitting there peacefully, then a speaker starts harassing them. Those are just the simple facts on the ground. To explain this away, more narrative is needed -- that of a harassment campaign and shadowy conspiracies. There is no evidence for this campaign. Investigation by Patreon and earlier law enforcement concluded there was nothing there. Instead, video criticism is spun as "harassment" by a narrative, which gets taken up into the mainstream media unchecked and unverified. There is a bubble englobing SV CEOs and the surrounding circles, and it's mostly narratives supported by emotions and vice versa. (And not a little dishonest spinning and editing of dialogue and interviews, for which there's ample evidence as well.)

tptacek 8y ago
Sure, in this case, "white supremacist" might not be the technical term for the bigotry involved. And, regarding the many meanings of kek, Pepe, and all that (and aside from the fact that the person who asked him to "bless" the statue is a white supremacist) --- sure, if you say so, dude.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  might not be the technical term for the bigotry involved. If you look at the signs, there was a black man concerned with the identitarian nature of Black Lives Matter. Are you trying to tell me that he's bigoted? Rather, I think he's concerned with bigotry masquerading as activism. aside from the fact that the person who asked him to "bless" the statue Again, this is weak "guilt by association." I have no idea if that other party is a bigot or not. It doesn't matter. Again, it's narrative generation, with the purpose of effective silencing by tarring. Silicon Valley is largely encased in a bubble produced by and consisting of accusation, name calling, and narrative pushing. The purpose of this is to gain the power to demonize and silence people. The devious thing about it, is that more outrage is generated when the accusations are false, and that fuels more noise and breaks down discourse even further. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc sure, if you say so, dude. In history, there have been many examples of arrogant groups who achieved economic success and power, became arrogant, and got trapped in bubbles of perception. http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/15/the-wetware-crisis-the-themocline-of-truth/ http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/15/the-wetware-crisis-the-t... They all had disparaging names for outsiders/underlings and thought of themselves as "betters." Most of the time, they thought of themselves as benevolent and benefactors. History is pretty clear about the lessons when those groups start imposing their misguided will on the people.
  - tptacek 8y ago
    If you think agreeing to appear in a video with a white supremacist and joking about his "kek" statue doesn't paint at least part of a picture, and that suggesting otherwise is "guilt by association", that's on you. To me, it's more telling that your best, leading example of a place where the media got its facts wrong is Shiva Ayyadurai is also telling, and also paints part of a picture (not one I've described on the thread so far, just to be clear).
    - stcredzero 8y ago
      If you think agreeing to appear in a video with a white supremacist and joking about his "kek" statue doesn't paint at least part of a picture "Paint part of a picture," Is just another way of saying "Narrative." To me, it's more telling that your best, leading example of a place where the media got its facts wrong is Shiva Ayyadurai is also telling So it doesn't matter that they got the facts wrong, because the people they are getting the facts wrong about are "bad" people. Sorry, but that's morally bankrupt. That's the classic moral stance to justify propaganda. Who in the past took actions against people they thought were generally bad, facts be damned? You appear to be in an epistemological calamity. You seem to be trapped in a bubble, where proof invalidating the bubble is sequestered through unsupported narratives. also paints part of a picture (not one I've described on the thread so far, just to be clear) So then you threaten to tar me by association as well? Again, it's this pushing of a narrative with no proof. (Just to be clear, all identitarians are in the wrong. All politics by violence is bad. All politics by intimidation is equally bad, as is disdain for facts and the truth.)

tptacek 8y ago

Sure, in this case, "white supremacist" might not be the technical term for the bigotry involved. And, regarding the many meanings of kek, Pepe, and all that (and aside from the fact that the person who asked him to "bless" the statue is a white supremacist) --- sure, if you say so, dude.

stcredzero 8y ago
might not be the technical term for the bigotry involved. If you look at the signs, there was a black man concerned with the identitarian nature of Black Lives Matter. Are you trying to tell me that he's bigoted? Rather, I think he's concerned with bigotry masquerading as activism. aside from the fact that the person who asked him to "bless" the statue Again, this is weak "guilt by association." I have no idea if that other party is a bigot or not. It doesn't matter. Again, it's narrative generation, with the purpose of effective silencing by tarring. Silicon Valley is largely encased in a bubble produced by and consisting of accusation, name calling, and narrative pushing. The purpose of this is to gain the power to demonize and silence people. The devious thing about it, is that more outrage is generated when the accusations are false, and that fuels more noise and breaks down discourse even further. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc sure, if you say so, dude. In history, there have been many examples of arrogant groups who achieved economic success and power, became arrogant, and got trapped in bubbles of perception. http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/15/the-wetware-crisis-the-themocline-of-truth/ http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/15/the-wetware-crisis-the-t... They all had disparaging names for outsiders/underlings and thought of themselves as "betters." Most of the time, they thought of themselves as benevolent and benefactors. History is pretty clear about the lessons when those groups start imposing their misguided will on the people.
- tptacek 8y ago
  If you think agreeing to appear in a video with a white supremacist and joking about his "kek" statue doesn't paint at least part of a picture, and that suggesting otherwise is "guilt by association", that's on you. To me, it's more telling that your best, leading example of a place where the media got its facts wrong is Shiva Ayyadurai is also telling, and also paints part of a picture (not one I've described on the thread so far, just to be clear).
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    If you think agreeing to appear in a video with a white supremacist and joking about his "kek" statue doesn't paint at least part of a picture "Paint part of a picture," Is just another way of saying "Narrative." To me, it's more telling that your best, leading example of a place where the media got its facts wrong is Shiva Ayyadurai is also telling So it doesn't matter that they got the facts wrong, because the people they are getting the facts wrong about are "bad" people. Sorry, but that's morally bankrupt. That's the classic moral stance to justify propaganda. Who in the past took actions against people they thought were generally bad, facts be damned? You appear to be in an epistemological calamity. You seem to be trapped in a bubble, where proof invalidating the bubble is sequestered through unsupported narratives. also paints part of a picture (not one I've described on the thread so far, just to be clear) So then you threaten to tar me by association as well? Again, it's this pushing of a narrative with no proof. (Just to be clear, all identitarians are in the wrong. All politics by violence is bad. All politics by intimidation is equally bad, as is disdain for facts and the truth.)