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So they emailed you about a new service; shrug. Of all the "spam" you could possibly receive this is by far the most useful. What is it with all Firefox/Mozill
by Carpetsmoker 8y ago
So they emailed you about a new service; shrug. Of all the "spam" you could possibly receive this is by far the most useful.
What is it with all Firefox/Mozilla hating as of late? They don't seem to be able to do anything right in the eyes of some people, and seem to be held to a ridiculously high standard (far higher than anyone else).
- detaro 8y agoIf your primary point is "We're the ethical ones fighting for the good", people will hold you to that. While I generally think there's lots of overblown criticism of Mozilla and that Mozilla is still far ahead of the others in these regards overall, it's worrysome that they get basics like this wrong.
- valtism 8y agoI don't think they should get a pass just because "other people are doing worse things".
- happytoexplain 8y agoWhen I opt out (or never opted in) and am still sent promotional material, it is an explicit message that the company disrespects me. Responding to that with shrug is layering more disrespect on top of it. Disrespect for users is a cardinal sin, and quickly reaches unforgivable levels if left unchecked. It is simply incorrect that this is an issue of bias against Mozilla. Other companies behaving worse doesn't make it acceptable - in fact, Mozilla's image of being "better" makes these kinds of infractions worse.
- Carpetsmoker 8y agoYou could argue that it's not promotional material, but an announcement, which is not exactly the same.
- flukus 8y agoI'd argue they're merging into the same thing for certain products with frequent releases. Things like VS code get free marketing every month with their release announcements hitting the front page of HN, reddit and the like.
- talonx 8y agoThey are held to a higher standard because the alternative Chrome is as bad as it gets in terms of usability and utilizing sneaky ways to subvert privacy. The sneakiness is not necessarily malicious - it is driven by Google's revenue model. Firefox remains configurable and privacy-enabling to a large extent, but it is becoming harder and harder, especially for non-technical folks, to realize that default Firefox settings are not necessarily user or privacy friendly. See the ruckus last year about defaulting to Cloudflare's DNS servers.
- seabird 8y agoI'm going to wager that it's because Firefox has devolved into a Chrome wannabe that you suffer through for ideological reasons and little else. XUL addons were the reason to use Firefox; it's an otherwise mediocre browser that gets trounced by Chrome in every conceivable way but privacy (and even that might not be a guarantee). Mozilla started to get really into the whole ethics and responsibility arena around the same time they deprecated XUL, and them trying to act like they could do anything after giving their core competency a death sentence left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, mine included. I say this all as somebody who has used Firefox for almost my entire life, and will continue to use Waterfox until the wheels fall off the bus. The best thing that can happen to Firefox now is for it dwindle into irrelevance and disappear so that people can see that good intentions don't make up choosing to create the inferior product.
- anoncake 8y agoThe most useful spam is still spam.