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I can't theoretically put my finger on it, either, but one antipattern that often shows up is a focussed minority with high incentives to pilfer from a larger m
by nothrabannosir 8y ago
I can't theoretically put my finger on it, either, but one antipattern that often shows up is a focussed minority with high incentives to pilfer from a larger majority, at the net expense of society.
An example being corruption, where one person might make small gains, at a much larger total cost to society. That cost, however, is amortised over even more people, leaving nobody sufficiently incentivised to fight it. This pattern is everywhere. NRA, mining companies' low cost rights to minerals, NIMBYs...
Concretely:
> Rather than getting all swoony about ALEC, wouldn't it make more sense just to fund more countervailing model legislation?
There is less money there, and money is what drives people to go above and beyond. Good people (aka most people) will play the game as best they can. Incentivised people, will change the game to win. It's a different mentality, you can't expect them to compete.
This is an inherent weakness in democracy as I know it, and lobbying is an incredibly powerful tool in the hands of these groups. The only moderating factors I know of are class action lawsuits, and the ombudsman. And now Twitter, for all its faults.
But are they separable? Can you get one without the other? I'm not clear on this, yet.
(not trying to make a judgement call on alec specifically, just going off of TFA here)
- tptacek 8y agoSure, that's the general pattern of diffuse vs concentrated interests, and it's a real problem, but it's orthogonal to model legislation.
- nothrabannosir 8y agoDon't you think model legislation is a weapon with disproportionate power in the hands of concentrated interests, versus being more lacklustre for the diffuse? Anything that exacerbates this problem is something we would want to avoid, no?
- tptacek 8y agoNo, I don't think that; I think that, if anything, ALEC marginally reduces the ultimate "potential" power of corporate lobbies, since, again, it's legislation that's submitted in multiple state houses and is at least theoretically traceable. What I think really alarms people about ALEC is that it represents an uncomfortable level of organization on the part of corporate conservative lobbyists. ALEC is a way of getting a lot done fast. But if there wasn't ALEC and there wasn't model legislation, they'd simply organize in other ways. I think it is generally true that corporatist conservatives out-organize progressives, and I think that is a problem, but I don't think it's realistic or plausible to suggest that the solution is to "de-organize" them.