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https://www.vox.com/2019/1/19/18189668/white-students-maga-gear-harass-native-elders https://www.vox.com/2019/1/19/18189668/white-students-maga-g... https://va

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/19/18189668/white-students-maga-gear-harass-native-elders https://www.vox.com/2019/1/19/18189668/white-students-maga-g... https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/maga-hat-wearing-teens-taunting-native-american-elder-spark-condemnation-from-hollywood-1203112838/ https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/maga-hat-wearing-teens-tau...

beat 8y ago
Firsthand quote from the VOX article... “It was getting ugly, and I was thinking: ‘I’ve got to find myself an exit out of this situation and finish my song at the Lincoln Memorial,’” Phillips told the Washington Post in a separate interview. “I started going that way, and that guy in the hat stood in my way, and we were at an impasse. He just blocked my way and wouldn’t allow me to retreat.” The article is explicit. It notes that Phillips initiated contact because they were harassing another group. But it also makes it clear, with quotes, that he believes they began harassing him instead. Now, if you want to say Phillips is lying, you can do that, but unless you do that, at least one of your articles does not support your contention.
- fundingshovel 8y ago
  The article was modified, and the sections in your quote added. I should have used the internet archive originally. See: https://web.archive.org/web/20190120030012/https://www.vox.com/2019/1/19/18189668/white-students-maga-gear-harass-native-elders https://web.archive.org/web/20190120030012/https://www.vox.c...
  - sedor0115 8y ago
    Greatly looking forward to how beat twists himself in knots to interpret this one as "factually accurate".
    - beat 8y ago
      Greatly looking forward to more downvotes from anonymous cowards who don't like what they think are my politics and could care less if what I'm saying is accurate or not. That said... when new facts came to light, the article was updated. Outside of the headline, which I agree is opinionated, is there anything factually inaccurate in the article? Go read it again, and find some contradictory sources with at least the same level of journalistic respectability as the (iffy) Vox. I'll wait. Even the headline has only one disputable word... "taunt". They're white, wearing MAGA hats, and confronting a Native American elder. All of these things are incontrovertible facts. As for "taunt"... you can believe they're as innocent as pure driven snow, but that has never been my experience of teenage boys being confronted in front of their peers, regardless of race or social standing. Teenage boys are about the nastiest form of human being there is. I anxiously await your alternative facts.
      - whatthewhatwhat 8y ago
        > They're white, wearing MAGA hats...Teenage boys are about the nastiest form of human being there is. Good grief, you're such a bigot! And proud of it, too! But it's okay on HN, because you're a "founder" with 12k karma. I hope that you wake up someday. And I don't mean, "get woke."
      - fundingshovel 8y ago
        Neither your, nor my politics have absolutely nothing to do with the accuracy of your information, though if anything, we should hold our own side to a higher standard. There are so so many easily verifiable things to write about, that its beyond pointless to trash our credibility over things that are proven inaccurate with a little bit of fact checking. I mean, Phillips being the wrong age to have been in Vietnam, as he claimed to Vox, would have been trivial to detect with any fact checking at all, and should have raised flags about the rest of his narrative. No one here is even trying to advance narrative high school boys are angels, with a bit a of digging it's pretty easy to find things that Covington Catholic does may well deserve the level of public shaming that this story got. However in this case, the entire narrative has been pretty widely disputed, Caitlin Flanagan does it much more elegantly than I could. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/media-must-learn-covington-catholic-story/581035/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/media-must... As for the source, why not go to the original, like any responsible journalist should have, copy of the full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwNyOD8FIQk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwNyOD8FIQk Feel free to tell me when you hear them chanting "Build a wall", I haven't heard it. The first widely reported, and easily proven incorrect fact is that Nathan Phillips is a Vietnam Veteran, see fairly through coverage of that here: https://www.businessinsider.com/native-elder-nathan-phillips-falsely-calls-self-a-vietnam-vet-in-video-2019-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/native-elder-nathan-phillips... So really you're asking me to believe the narrative of someone who is proven to be lying about his military service, with no corroborating video of his claims, which just seems a bit ludicrous. edited: spelling

beat 8y ago

Firsthand quote from the VOX article... “It was getting ugly, and I was thinking: ‘I’ve got to find myself an exit out of this situation and finish my song at the Lincoln Memorial,’” Phillips told the Washington Post in a separate interview. “I started going that way, and that guy in the hat stood in my way, and we were at an impasse. He just blocked my way and wouldn’t allow me to retreat.” The article is explicit. It notes that Phillips initiated contact because they were harassing another group. But it also makes it clear, with quotes, that he believes they began harassing him instead. Now, if you want to say Phillips is lying, you can do that, but unless you do that, at least one of your articles does not support your contention.

fundingshovel 8y ago
The article was modified, and the sections in your quote added. I should have used the internet archive originally. See: https://web.archive.org/web/20190120030012/https://www.vox.com/2019/1/19/18189668/white-students-maga-gear-harass-native-elders https://web.archive.org/web/20190120030012/https://www.vox.c...
- sedor0115 8y ago
  Greatly looking forward to how beat twists himself in knots to interpret this one as "factually accurate".
  - beat 8y ago
    Greatly looking forward to more downvotes from anonymous cowards who don't like what they think are my politics and could care less if what I'm saying is accurate or not. That said... when new facts came to light, the article was updated. Outside of the headline, which I agree is opinionated, is there anything factually inaccurate in the article? Go read it again, and find some contradictory sources with at least the same level of journalistic respectability as the (iffy) Vox. I'll wait. Even the headline has only one disputable word... "taunt". They're white, wearing MAGA hats, and confronting a Native American elder. All of these things are incontrovertible facts. As for "taunt"... you can believe they're as innocent as pure driven snow, but that has never been my experience of teenage boys being confronted in front of their peers, regardless of race or social standing. Teenage boys are about the nastiest form of human being there is. I anxiously await your alternative facts.
    - whatthewhatwhat 8y ago
      > They're white, wearing MAGA hats...Teenage boys are about the nastiest form of human being there is. Good grief, you're such a bigot! And proud of it, too! But it's okay on HN, because you're a "founder" with 12k karma. I hope that you wake up someday. And I don't mean, "get woke."
    - fundingshovel 8y ago
      Neither your, nor my politics have absolutely nothing to do with the accuracy of your information, though if anything, we should hold our own side to a higher standard. There are so so many easily verifiable things to write about, that its beyond pointless to trash our credibility over things that are proven inaccurate with a little bit of fact checking. I mean, Phillips being the wrong age to have been in Vietnam, as he claimed to Vox, would have been trivial to detect with any fact checking at all, and should have raised flags about the rest of his narrative. No one here is even trying to advance narrative high school boys are angels, with a bit a of digging it's pretty easy to find things that Covington Catholic does may well deserve the level of public shaming that this story got. However in this case, the entire narrative has been pretty widely disputed, Caitlin Flanagan does it much more elegantly than I could. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/media-must-learn-covington-catholic-story/581035/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/media-must... As for the source, why not go to the original, like any responsible journalist should have, copy of the full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwNyOD8FIQk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwNyOD8FIQk Feel free to tell me when you hear them chanting "Build a wall", I haven't heard it. The first widely reported, and easily proven incorrect fact is that Nathan Phillips is a Vietnam Veteran, see fairly through coverage of that here: https://www.businessinsider.com/native-elder-nathan-phillips-falsely-calls-self-a-vietnam-vet-in-video-2019-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/native-elder-nathan-phillips... So really you're asking me to believe the narrative of someone who is proven to be lying about his military service, with no corroborating video of his claims, which just seems a bit ludicrous. edited: spelling