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I thought all jets had to be capable of performing non powered glides (as in no electrical power, not just engine power). I guess that's no longer a requiremen
by fgonzag 8y ago
I thought all jets had to be capable of performing non powered glides (as in no electrical power, not just engine power).
I guess that's no longer a requirement.
- weaksauce 8y agoThe planes when setup correctly have a pretty good glide slope actually. When there is no power the pilots can deploy the apu to restore basic power for flight controls.
- rob74 8y agoI assume you mean the Ram Air Turbine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_air_turbine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_air_turbine)?
- weaksauce 8y agoah yeah. got my initialisms mixed up. the apu is not an emergency source of power.
- cladari 8y agoThe 737 has a better glide ratio than a Cessna 172 when both set up correctly.
- usrusr 8y agoBeing capable of performing a glide without electricity does not necessarily imply that a no-power glide can safely be entered from extreme conditions like diving too fast with trim set to insane.
- fgonzag 8y agoBut being able to actually utilize all your control surfaces without electrical power must be a basic requirement. They could make the trim control wheel mechanically assisted, for example (since there are cases where electronic trim control is required because because of the amount of force needed to turn the wheel)
- Rooster61 8y ago> They could make the trim control wheel mechanically assisted I'd imagine it already IS mechanically assisted. There is a limit to how much you can amplify a pilot's input mechanically, and I'd imagine the load on the aircraft exceeded the amount of amplification needed. I.e. your car has power steering, so the car manually adds power to the turn based on the user's input. That doesn't mean that something in the road can't override the input of both the driver and power steering and jerk the wheel.
- Domenic_S 8y agoWhy is it possible to set the trim to insane? Is there a legitimate scenario where that would be used?
- ls612 8y agoIf the AoA was truly way too high then insane trim would be required to correct that. MCAS and similar systems came about in response to AF 447 where the pilots entered a high AoA situation and stalled the plane into the Atlantic.
- cjbprime 8y agoIs it necessarily true that you have to use the stabilizer for MCAS? Would implementing a stick pusher instead fail to avoid some stalls?
- Zak 8y agoIt's true in the case of the 737 MAX where the pitch-up moment caused by the engines exceeds the elevator authority in a low-speed, high-thrust situation if the pitch trim is also set too high. MCAS will evidently work with less maximum nose-down trim than the current version has, as the proposed update places a limit on it.
- 781 8y agoWell, the plane might be at an insane angle, so then you need an insane trim setting to correct it :)
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- phire 8y agoSure, but that's assuming the plane was trimmed somewhat correctly to start with. The only reason the pilots had problems manually moving the trim was because the electric motor moved it far out of the correct trim range. Also, it's not zero power. A ram air turbine deploys and provides hydraulic pressure to move the controls. And there are batteries to keep a small number of essential flight instruments powered.