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We should totally criticize private prison industry and the whole racket - which we do. Journalists in America already talk about this, we debate, we fearlessly

We should totally criticize private prison industry and the whole racket - which we do. Journalists in America already talk about this, we debate, we fearlessly discuss. It takes Reuters and NYTimes journalists to bring stories like this to the front of the world. They risked going there. The Chinese media is spineless. There is no need to bring America in this discussion because as Americans can freely and openly criticize the government, sue them, write about it and condemn it. Freedom of press is a real thing in USA.

theseadroid 8y ago
>Freedom of press is a real thing in USA. Interesting you think that way. From my observation in China government controls the media yes, but here capital controls the media no less. You can speak freely but the media wont necessarily distribute truth, they are free to distribute what makes the most money.
- carapace 8y ago
  You're not wrong, but I believe the permissive system is much more robust than the restrictive system. However, everything I've ever read about China makes me realize that it is awesomely huge and that I have no idea what is actually required to keep the "Middle Kingdom" functioning. Even so, I think the CCP is making a big mistake with these camps. - - - - I wonder if the techno-fascist system might actually turn out to be more stable than the techno-democratic. (I don't like that but I've read enough sci-fi to be willing to consider it.) Certainly the "fake news" attack is so effective precisely because so much of Western "free" media actually IS fake news. (I read Chomsky at an impressionable age, to me the mainstream media in America has always had a blindingly obvious blackout policy for anything too embarrassing.) In any event, if the CCP can revive the Silk Road and partner with the nations of Africa, the Space Age may be Communist after all.
WillPostForFood 8y ago
I agree, but it isn't useful to debate private prisons and the incarceration rate of minorities in relation to Chinese concentration camps, like it isn't useful to draw moral equivalencies between Japanese internment in WWII and Nazi concentration camps.
zachguo 8y ago
Freedom of the press doesn't mean there's no media manipulation. Do you see articles criticizing the private prison industry and mass incarceration of black males twice a week?

theseadroid 8y ago

>Freedom of press is a real thing in USA. Interesting you think that way. From my observation in China government controls the media yes, but here capital controls the media no less. You can speak freely but the media wont necessarily distribute truth, they are free to distribute what makes the most money.

carapace 8y ago
You're not wrong, but I believe the permissive system is much more robust than the restrictive system. However, everything I've ever read about China makes me realize that it is awesomely huge and that I have no idea what is actually required to keep the "Middle Kingdom" functioning. Even so, I think the CCP is making a big mistake with these camps. - - - - I wonder if the techno-fascist system might actually turn out to be more stable than the techno-democratic. (I don't like that but I've read enough sci-fi to be willing to consider it.) Certainly the "fake news" attack is so effective precisely because so much of Western "free" media actually IS fake news. (I read Chomsky at an impressionable age, to me the mainstream media in America has always had a blindingly obvious blackout policy for anything too embarrassing.) In any event, if the CCP can revive the Silk Road and partner with the nations of Africa, the Space Age may be Communist after all.

WillPostForFood 8y ago

I agree, but it isn't useful to debate private prisons and the incarceration rate of minorities in relation to Chinese concentration camps, like it isn't useful to draw moral equivalencies between Japanese internment in WWII and Nazi concentration camps.

zachguo 8y ago

Freedom of the press doesn't mean there's no media manipulation. Do you see articles criticizing the private prison industry and mass incarceration of black males twice a week?