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> You cannot get creative with beat matching This is patently false, and particularly turntablists know it. There are several ways to match beats that are har

> You cannot get creative with beat matching This is patently false, and particularly turntablists know it. There are several ways to match beats that are hard for computers (e.g. 3 over 4), or manually swinging the beat (computers don't have the funk), particularly to match a live band or instrument. I understand why people like Ableton, but don't pretend it's not limiting to expressivity. It's like why piano players still play chords manually instead of just triggering them -- the analog human input actually makes it sound better than worse and the human aspect is usually what the audience came for.

empath75 8y ago
> I understand why people like Ableton, but don't pretend it's not limiting to expressivity. Every choice you make is limiting. There are things you can do with ableton you simply cannot do with turntable mixing alone.
laumars 8y ago
> This is patently false, and particularly turntablists know it. There are several ways to match beats that are hard for computers (e.g. 3 over 4), or manually swinging the beat (computers don't have the funk), particularly to match a live band or instrument. Actually the main reason I switched to Ableton was because it was much easier to match music that isn't quantised because I started to throw in a lot of rock, metal and industrial sounds into my techno sets. What I wanted was long mixes with such tracks and while I could "drop" non-dance tracks in with vinyl, the effect wasn't as polished nor as sympathetic to the techno sound I was trying to achieve. This is in spite of me already being an accomplished multi-deck DJ who was competent with mixing different time signatures and other quirky tracks that many others might avoid. I do still love my decks though. It's not an "either / or" for me. I'd alternate between the different formats depending on the gig and the sound I wanted to create. > I understand why people like Ableton, but don't pretend it's not limiting to expressivity Limiting in some ways, liberating in others. Vinyl has it's own limiting factors too. They're just different tools with different advantages and disadvantages. Saying one is better than the other is purely a subjective opinion based on the DJing style of the person arguing it.

empath75 8y ago

> I understand why people like Ableton, but don't pretend it's not limiting to expressivity. Every choice you make is limiting. There are things you can do with ableton you simply cannot do with turntable mixing alone.

laumars 8y ago

> This is patently false, and particularly turntablists know it. There are several ways to match beats that are hard for computers (e.g. 3 over 4), or manually swinging the beat (computers don't have the funk), particularly to match a live band or instrument. Actually the main reason I switched to Ableton was because it was much easier to match music that isn't quantised because I started to throw in a lot of rock, metal and industrial sounds into my techno sets. What I wanted was long mixes with such tracks and while I could "drop" non-dance tracks in with vinyl, the effect wasn't as polished nor as sympathetic to the techno sound I was trying to achieve. This is in spite of me already being an accomplished multi-deck DJ who was competent with mixing different time signatures and other quirky tracks that many others might avoid. I do still love my decks though. It's not an "either / or" for me. I'd alternate between the different formats depending on the gig and the sound I wanted to create. > I understand why people like Ableton, but don't pretend it's not limiting to expressivity Limiting in some ways, liberating in others. Vinyl has it's own limiting factors too. They're just different tools with different advantages and disadvantages. Saying one is better than the other is purely a subjective opinion based on the DJing style of the person arguing it.