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The original comment you were replying to referenced Boeing's smear of the pilots, not Lion Air the company. The pilots would have no knowledge of the first two

The original comment you were replying to referenced Boeing's smear of the pilots, not Lion Air the company. The pilots would have no knowledge of the first two items on your list (the ones I did not address, as they weren't relevant to the comment you were replying to). You're absolutely correct that Lion Air might have had the opportunity to prevent Boeing's design failure from bringing down this plane (this time). That still leaves the biggest share of the blame squarely in Boeing's lap.

treis 8y ago
>The original comment you were replying to referenced Boeing's smear of the pilots, not Lion Air the company. I responded to: >the Lion Air crash (they were busy smearing the airline an the pilots instead) Which clearly references Lion Air the company. >You're absolutely correct that Lion Air might have had the opportunity to prevent Boeing's design failure from bringing down this plane (this time). That still leaves the biggest share of the blame squarely in Boeing's lap. Blame is not a competition and having a more at fault party doesn't excuse your failures. Lion Air failed badly and the pilots didn't take an obvious step to correct their issue. They merit the blame they are getting.
- JshWright 8y ago
  > Which clearly references Lion Air the company. Ah, yep, I misread that (can I blame the typo...? ;) ) My point is that is that it is appropriate to call out Boeing for their attempt at deflecting blame. The pilots apparently did not take an action that _may_ have saved the plane (we now know it may not have). That doesn't change the fact that the issue they failed to correct was a faulty design in the first place, and would have resulted in a crash at some point.
  - treis 8y ago
    >My point is that is that it is appropriate to call out Boeing for their attempt at deflecting blame. Sure, but that doesn't mean going the other way and deflecting blame from Lion Air and the pilots. >The pilots apparently did not take an action that _may_ have saved the plane (we now know it may not have). Disabling electric trim would have absolutely saved the Lion Air flight just like it did when the same issue cropped up on the previous flight. Some speculated (which appears to be incorrect) that the Ethiopian Air flight was in a situation that they couldn't recover from, but the Lion Air flight was not in that situation. The Lion Air pilots identified that the trim was incorrect and reset it at least 20 times. It's fair to fault them for not coming to the conclusion that the electric trim system was malfunctioning and that they should disable it.

treis 8y ago

>The original comment you were replying to referenced Boeing's smear of the pilots, not Lion Air the company. I responded to: >the Lion Air crash (they were busy smearing the airline an the pilots instead) Which clearly references Lion Air the company. >You're absolutely correct that Lion Air might have had the opportunity to prevent Boeing's design failure from bringing down this plane (this time). That still leaves the biggest share of the blame squarely in Boeing's lap. Blame is not a competition and having a more at fault party doesn't excuse your failures. Lion Air failed badly and the pilots didn't take an obvious step to correct their issue. They merit the blame they are getting.

JshWright 8y ago
> Which clearly references Lion Air the company. Ah, yep, I misread that (can I blame the typo...? ;) ) My point is that is that it is appropriate to call out Boeing for their attempt at deflecting blame. The pilots apparently did not take an action that _may_ have saved the plane (we now know it may not have). That doesn't change the fact that the issue they failed to correct was a faulty design in the first place, and would have resulted in a crash at some point.
- treis 8y ago
  >My point is that is that it is appropriate to call out Boeing for their attempt at deflecting blame. Sure, but that doesn't mean going the other way and deflecting blame from Lion Air and the pilots. >The pilots apparently did not take an action that _may_ have saved the plane (we now know it may not have). Disabling electric trim would have absolutely saved the Lion Air flight just like it did when the same issue cropped up on the previous flight. Some speculated (which appears to be incorrect) that the Ethiopian Air flight was in a situation that they couldn't recover from, but the Lion Air flight was not in that situation. The Lion Air pilots identified that the trim was incorrect and reset it at least 20 times. It's fair to fault them for not coming to the conclusion that the electric trim system was malfunctioning and that they should disable it.