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I think the fact that the journalist is pushing the warring tribes narrative is part of the problem. I should have listed that among its flaws. The journalist

I think the fact that the journalist is pushing the warring tribes narrative is part of the problem. I should have listed that among its flaws. The journalist here is egging the two sides on, deliberately setting up confrontations, and rooting for blood. It's interesting read because it stimulates your lizard brain, but it's not good journalism.

pjc50 8y ago
The confrontations were always there - the two sides were engaged in regular confrontations for years. If anything the journalist tries to defuse it at one point by pulling the "I'm with the press" card, and eventually sets up a non-confrontation reminisce between the two old men of the old sides.
- azeotropic 8y ago
  I don't see how bringing the activist into a bar full of hunters and then announcing that you're his protector is anything like trying to diffuse conflict. Acting like a macho tough guy and flippantly giving a library card as a press credential when you get called out is a pretty cheeky thing to do.
  - pjc50 8y ago
    Farmyard, rather than bar: "we drove into a farmyard full of farmhands and hunt supporters." > Acting like a macho tough guy and flippantly giving a library card as a press credential when you get called out is a pretty cheeky thing to do. Flippant, yes, macho .. not exactly. It is however extremely English, this kind of whimsicality in the face of interpersonal violence. Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digby_Tatham-Warter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digby_Tatham-Warter carrying an umbrella about the Battle of Arnhem and leading a bayonet charge wearing a bowler hat. The British Library membership card is fantastic for this. It's almost literally saying "Don't punch me, I'm upper middle class". Given the importance of class signifiers in the whole affray, that moves him perfectly to bystander status. Probably worked better than an actual press card. Or warrant card. But as he points out, this is an extremely routine conflict, almost as if this is what these people do at the weekends rather than have fights at football matches: > "Then, I had the sense, it was all just like old times. The saboteur women screamed murderous abuse at the terrier-men while the terrier-men tried to knock video cameras from the women’s hands, there were scuffles and a good deal of debate about who started what, and vicious, well-rehearsed arguments about the bloody business of killing foxes. I wandered around asking if anyone happened to have seen my car keys." (There is probably a whole other article to be written about the dark whimsy of violence that pervades this article!)
  - spyckie2 8y ago
    > smarmy, narcissistic, rooting for blood, lizard brain, macho guy, flippantly, cheeky Just letting you know about a blind spot you may have. These words I'm highlighting are the exact opposite of factual - they are all your opinion that the author of the article is full of himself, and for your personal growth, I'd encourage you to try not to assume that about people.

pjc50 8y ago

The confrontations were always there - the two sides were engaged in regular confrontations for years. If anything the journalist tries to defuse it at one point by pulling the "I'm with the press" card, and eventually sets up a non-confrontation reminisce between the two old men of the old sides.

azeotropic 8y ago
I don't see how bringing the activist into a bar full of hunters and then announcing that you're his protector is anything like trying to diffuse conflict. Acting like a macho tough guy and flippantly giving a library card as a press credential when you get called out is a pretty cheeky thing to do.
- pjc50 8y ago
  Farmyard, rather than bar: "we drove into a farmyard full of farmhands and hunt supporters." > Acting like a macho tough guy and flippantly giving a library card as a press credential when you get called out is a pretty cheeky thing to do. Flippant, yes, macho .. not exactly. It is however extremely English, this kind of whimsicality in the face of interpersonal violence. Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digby_Tatham-Warter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digby_Tatham-Warter carrying an umbrella about the Battle of Arnhem and leading a bayonet charge wearing a bowler hat. The British Library membership card is fantastic for this. It's almost literally saying "Don't punch me, I'm upper middle class". Given the importance of class signifiers in the whole affray, that moves him perfectly to bystander status. Probably worked better than an actual press card. Or warrant card. But as he points out, this is an extremely routine conflict, almost as if this is what these people do at the weekends rather than have fights at football matches: > "Then, I had the sense, it was all just like old times. The saboteur women screamed murderous abuse at the terrier-men while the terrier-men tried to knock video cameras from the women’s hands, there were scuffles and a good deal of debate about who started what, and vicious, well-rehearsed arguments about the bloody business of killing foxes. I wandered around asking if anyone happened to have seen my car keys." (There is probably a whole other article to be written about the dark whimsy of violence that pervades this article!)
- spyckie2 8y ago
  > smarmy, narcissistic, rooting for blood, lizard brain, macho guy, flippantly, cheeky Just letting you know about a blind spot you may have. These words I'm highlighting are the exact opposite of factual - they are all your opinion that the author of the article is full of himself, and for your personal growth, I'd encourage you to try not to assume that about people.