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I think he puts Twitter there because he doesn't use it. If you follow the right people it actually promotes intelligent discourse.

Lordarminius 8y ago
Same with Instagram. I don't use it but I concede that it is useful to some people as a platform for promoting businesses. FB on the other hand, deserves to die in a fire.
- Stubb 8y ago
  I've all but dropped off Facebook but made an Instagram account earlier this year and am enjoying it. The photo-centric nature seems to eliminate 99% of the toxicity of Facebook. I've subscribed to the accounts of friends, architecture/design centers, Archillect, and accounts that post pictures of owls and otters. None of this promotes deep thinking or meaningful discussion, but it's a nice five-minute addition to my day. Plus it gives me a place to post my own photography where friends and others will see it. That said, I'm hardly a Facebook/Zuckerberg fan and will jump ship the moment another platform becomes viable.
- rchaud 8y ago
  IG is the same IMO. You won't see the blatant bigotry and politics, but you will see a monoculture of self-promoters and brand builders which are similarly exhausting, just in a different way. And I say this as someone who is subscribed to some niche meme pages on IG and enjoy them. It's just that if the page were to disappear tomorrow, I would have forgotten about it within a week. It wouldn't be missed. The value it gives me is very limited. I'd wager it's the same for a lot of other people. Social media's value is geared towards advertisers, not users.
skilled 8y ago
"Intelligent discourse" -- no need to be so generous with your choice of words.
- aboutruby 8y ago
  Maybe "meaningful" would be a better choice of word, not sure.
lm28469 8y ago
You can find "intelligent discourse" everywhere on internet, even on 4chan/8chan and the like. The issue is signal/noise ratio. Instagram is particularly weird to me, look at what's trending, semi naked teenagers/stars, selfies and ads, that's all, for miles of scrolling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-followed_Instagram_accounts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-followed_Instagra... Guy Debord used "images" as a metaphor but with Instagram it's not even a metaphor anymore. > The spectacle is not a collection of images, but a social relation among people, mediated by images. > The celebrity, the spectacular representation of a living human being, embodies this banality by embodying the image of a possible role. Celebrities exist to act out various styles of living and viewing society unfettered .... They embody the inaccessible result of social labor by dramatizing its by-products magically projected above it as its goal: power and vacations, decision and consumption. > Where the real world changes into simple images, the simple images become real beings and effective motivations of hypnotic behavior. The spectacle [...] naturally finds vision to be the privileged human sense which the sense of touch was for other epochs; the most abstract, the most mystifiable sense corresponds to the generalized abstraction of present-day society. It is the opposite of dialogue.
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Lordarminius 8y ago

Same with Instagram. I don't use it but I concede that it is useful to some people as a platform for promoting businesses. FB on the other hand, deserves to die in a fire.

Stubb 8y ago
I've all but dropped off Facebook but made an Instagram account earlier this year and am enjoying it. The photo-centric nature seems to eliminate 99% of the toxicity of Facebook. I've subscribed to the accounts of friends, architecture/design centers, Archillect, and accounts that post pictures of owls and otters. None of this promotes deep thinking or meaningful discussion, but it's a nice five-minute addition to my day. Plus it gives me a place to post my own photography where friends and others will see it. That said, I'm hardly a Facebook/Zuckerberg fan and will jump ship the moment another platform becomes viable.
rchaud 8y ago
IG is the same IMO. You won't see the blatant bigotry and politics, but you will see a monoculture of self-promoters and brand builders which are similarly exhausting, just in a different way. And I say this as someone who is subscribed to some niche meme pages on IG and enjoy them. It's just that if the page were to disappear tomorrow, I would have forgotten about it within a week. It wouldn't be missed. The value it gives me is very limited. I'd wager it's the same for a lot of other people. Social media's value is geared towards advertisers, not users.

skilled 8y ago

"Intelligent discourse" -- no need to be so generous with your choice of words.

aboutruby 8y ago
Maybe "meaningful" would be a better choice of word, not sure.

lm28469 8y ago

You can find "intelligent discourse" everywhere on internet, even on 4chan/8chan and the like. The issue is signal/noise ratio. Instagram is particularly weird to me, look at what's trending, semi naked teenagers/stars, selfies and ads, that's all, for miles of scrolling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-followed_Instagram_accounts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-followed_Instagra... Guy Debord used "images" as a metaphor but with Instagram it's not even a metaphor anymore. > The spectacle is not a collection of images, but a social relation among people, mediated by images. > The celebrity, the spectacular representation of a living human being, embodies this banality by embodying the image of a possible role. Celebrities exist to act out various styles of living and viewing society unfettered .... They embody the inaccessible result of social labor by dramatizing its by-products magically projected above it as its goal: power and vacations, decision and consumption. > Where the real world changes into simple images, the simple images become real beings and effective motivations of hypnotic behavior. The spectacle [...] naturally finds vision to be the privileged human sense which the sense of touch was for other epochs; the most abstract, the most mystifiable sense corresponds to the generalized abstraction of present-day society. It is the opposite of dialogue.

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