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I'm not familiar with Amazon's content policies, but I couldn't see Amazon wanting this stuff hosted on their servers.

by bradly 16y ago

d2viant 16y ago
It would depend on how Wikileaks designed their AWS infrastructure. Amazon's policies are specific to the territory in which they operate. They obey the local laws for the data they will store on their hardware and will only comply with local laws. For example, if you provision your services in the EU-Ireland region, it is governed by the laws of the EU, not by the United States. That being said, I don't know the specifics of the laws with regards to each of the different AWS regions.
- JoachimSchipper 16y ago
  > the laws of the EU We are, sadly, not quite that far along yet.
  - jules 16y ago
    Sadly? The things that come out of the EU are at least as stupid as local laws, especially wrt technology.
    - JoachimSchipper 16y ago
      The US has a massive commercial advantage because its laws, while not better per se, are at least uniform. Also, European national states are mostly too weak to have any influence in the global problems of the 21st century. A smaller share of a larger (power) pie would still be an improvement.
      - jules 16y ago
        Economically, it would be an improvement. But look at laws like the data retention law that forces ISPs to keep access logs on all their users. The EU is also highly undemocratic, or at least very indirectly democratic. First install a working democratic process, then get more power. Not the other way around "lets give them insane power and then they will surely be nice to us and give us a good democratic process" as many people seem to want. Also I'm not even sure that if there were a good democracy that I'd want to give e.g. Italians the power to vote on what happens to me, given that they elect and keep electing Berlusconi.
        JoachimSchipper 16y ago
        Meh, the Netherlands went further than the EU requirements on data retention. Yes, that's stupid, but... And yes, creating a "EU government" is almost certainly even harder than it appears. The current system seems to combine the speed of a multi-country democracy with the legitimacy of a multi-country oligarchy (of elected ministers, but still).
  - gmac 16y ago
    The EU issues Regulations, which have immediate effect in member states, and Directives, which member states are required to implement in national law, so it's not too far wrong to talk about EU law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_law Caveat: IANAL (but my wife is).
    - JoachimSchipper 16y ago
      Yeah, I know. You should also mention the European Court of Human Rights, whose decisions override national courts (of course, the decision is usually "this case not is our job, go with whatever the national court told you".)
- rmc 16y ago
  Technically you are goverened by the law of Ireland, not the EU (per se). However someone else pointed out they are hosted in us-west
risotto 16y ago
Amazon is fine with it, according to the WSJ. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/11/29/wikileaks-using-amazon-servers-after-attack/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/11/29/wikileaks-using-amazo...
- dtf 16y ago
  "Amazon and WikiLeaks did not return requests for comment."
MichaelSalib 16y ago
Why not? The New York Times and many other newspapers published the same data, and surely there's no problem hosting the NYT, so why is Wikileaks special in this regard?

I'm not familiar with Amazon's content policies, but I couldn't see Amazon wanting this stuff hosted on their servers.

by bradly 16y ago

I'm not familiar with Amazon's content policies, but I couldn't see Amazon wanting this stuff hosted on their servers.

It would depend on how Wikileaks designed their AWS infrastructure. Amazon's policies are specific to the territory in which they operate. They obey the local laws for the data they will store on their hardware and will only comply with local laws. For example, if you provision your services in the EU-Ireland region, it is governed by the laws of the EU, not by the United States. That being said, I don't know the specifics of the laws with regards to each of the different AWS regions.

JoachimSchipper 16y ago
> the laws of the EU We are, sadly, not quite that far along yet.
- jules 16y ago
  Sadly? The things that come out of the EU are at least as stupid as local laws, especially wrt technology.
  - JoachimSchipper 16y ago
    The US has a massive commercial advantage because its laws, while not better per se, are at least uniform. Also, European national states are mostly too weak to have any influence in the global problems of the 21st century. A smaller share of a larger (power) pie would still be an improvement.
    - jules 16y ago
      Economically, it would be an improvement. But look at laws like the data retention law that forces ISPs to keep access logs on all their users. The EU is also highly undemocratic, or at least very indirectly democratic. First install a working democratic process, then get more power. Not the other way around "lets give them insane power and then they will surely be nice to us and give us a good democratic process" as many people seem to want. Also I'm not even sure that if there were a good democracy that I'd want to give e.g. Italians the power to vote on what happens to me, given that they elect and keep electing Berlusconi.
      - JoachimSchipper 16y ago
        Meh, the Netherlands went further than the EU requirements on data retention. Yes, that's stupid, but... And yes, creating a "EU government" is almost certainly even harder than it appears. The current system seems to combine the speed of a multi-country democracy with the legitimacy of a multi-country oligarchy (of elected ministers, but still).
- gmac 16y ago
  The EU issues Regulations, which have immediate effect in member states, and Directives, which member states are required to implement in national law, so it's not too far wrong to talk about EU law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_law Caveat: IANAL (but my wife is).
  - JoachimSchipper 16y ago
    Yeah, I know. You should also mention the European Court of Human Rights, whose decisions override national courts (of course, the decision is usually "this case not is our job, go with whatever the national court told you".)
rmc 16y ago
Technically you are goverened by the law of Ireland, not the EU (per se). However someone else pointed out they are hosted in us-west

risotto 16y ago

Amazon is fine with it, according to the WSJ. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/11/29/wikileaks-using-amazon-servers-after-attack/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/11/29/wikileaks-using-amazo...

dtf 16y ago
"Amazon and WikiLeaks did not return requests for comment."

MichaelSalib 16y ago

Why not? The New York Times and many other newspapers published the same data, and surely there's no problem hosting the NYT, so why is Wikileaks special in this regard?