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I'm gay and I know for a fact that gay people aren't inherently unfit to be parents, which is a view held strongly by the Heritage Foundation and they have fals

I'm gay and I know for a fact that gay people aren't inherently unfit to be parents, which is a view held strongly by the Heritage Foundation and they have falsified studies to try and support their opinion. Ethics isn't something that nobody can pin down or say anything definitive about. I and most of the good-natured people at Google know that the Heritage Foundation's views are not valid. They're deceptive and only serve to promote ignorance and hatred.

naasking 8y ago
> I'm gay and I know for a fact that gay people aren't inherently unfit to be parents I agree, but suppose for the sake of argument that having gay parents caused some developmental or social difficulties that didn't happen with heterosexual parents. That's not inconceivable is it? But if researchers were all operating in a pro-gay echo chamber, they would almost certainly never discover this, at least not for quite some time. You might even need people who actively fight against gay rights to find some nook, some crack in existing research to force the research to be more thorough and robust. And that would be valuable to you as a gay parent, would it not? So even if you detest such researchers, and they detest you as a gay person, isn't their contribution in the overall scientific process still pretty valuable to you?
- mike00632 8y ago
  >...suppose for the sake of argument... No, I'm not going to assume your bigoted viewpoint. It absolutely is inconceivable to me. The only way you could think this view has merit is through an extreme lack of empathy and a lot of ignorance. >...pro-gay echo chamber... Considering gay people to by like other people is not being "pro-gay." It's just being a decent human being. >...existing research... Keep in mind that we are talking about the falsification of research to malign gay people and take away their kids or prevent them from having kids. This isn't about science but about what types of views and actions Google finds acceptable and valuable on a team.
  - naasking 8y ago
    > No, I'm not going to assume your bigoted viewpoint. It absolutely is inconceivable to me. The only way you could think this view has merit is through an extreme lack of empathy and a lot of ignorance. Uh, no, it's a simple recognition that homosexual family units are a new and unique phenomenon in human history, and so we don't actually know if it might have any unexpected effects. Of course we should give the benefit of the doubt, but recognizing this fact, questioning assumptions and doing research on this issue is NOT bigoted. > Considering gay people to by like other people is not being "pro-gay." It's just being a decent human being. Way to completely ignore the legitimate point I'm trying to raise. > Keep in mind that we are talking about the falsification of research to malign gay people and take away their kids or prevent them from having kids. I'm not talking about Google's panel specifically, I'm talking about the general point that being tolerant even of people who hate you can still actually benefit you in the end, so long as everyone is open to debate, acts in good faith and respects the scientific process.
    - mike00632 8y ago
      >...homosexual family units are a new and unique phenomenon in human history... Families that drive cars are new to human history. Families where both parents have had orthodontic work are new to human history. It takes a special seed of bigotry to question whether LGBT people are inherently unfit to be parents. >... questioning assumptions and doing research on this issue is NOT bigoted. Making assumptions about people based on sexual orientation and falsifying research to further your mean-spirited assumptions is indeed bigotry. >"Considering gay people to by like other people is not being 'pro-gay.' It's just being a decent human being." Way to completely ignore the legitimate point I'm trying to raise. You're ignoring my point. Gays being treated like people is not an extreme left-wing ideology forwarded by activists. It's just a simple application of basic ethics and anyone who fails to do this does not belong on an ethics committee. >I'm talking about the general point that being tolerant even of people who hate you... A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance.
      - naasking 8y ago

naasking 8y ago

> I'm gay and I know for a fact that gay people aren't inherently unfit to be parents I agree, but suppose for the sake of argument that having gay parents caused some developmental or social difficulties that didn't happen with heterosexual parents. That's not inconceivable is it? But if researchers were all operating in a pro-gay echo chamber, they would almost certainly never discover this, at least not for quite some time. You might even need people who actively fight against gay rights to find some nook, some crack in existing research to force the research to be more thorough and robust. And that would be valuable to you as a gay parent, would it not? So even if you detest such researchers, and they detest you as a gay person, isn't their contribution in the overall scientific process still pretty valuable to you?

mike00632 8y ago
>...suppose for the sake of argument... No, I'm not going to assume your bigoted viewpoint. It absolutely is inconceivable to me. The only way you could think this view has merit is through an extreme lack of empathy and a lot of ignorance. >...pro-gay echo chamber... Considering gay people to by like other people is not being "pro-gay." It's just being a decent human being. >...existing research... Keep in mind that we are talking about the falsification of research to malign gay people and take away their kids or prevent them from having kids. This isn't about science but about what types of views and actions Google finds acceptable and valuable on a team.
- naasking 8y ago
  > No, I'm not going to assume your bigoted viewpoint. It absolutely is inconceivable to me. The only way you could think this view has merit is through an extreme lack of empathy and a lot of ignorance. Uh, no, it's a simple recognition that homosexual family units are a new and unique phenomenon in human history, and so we don't actually know if it might have any unexpected effects. Of course we should give the benefit of the doubt, but recognizing this fact, questioning assumptions and doing research on this issue is NOT bigoted. > Considering gay people to by like other people is not being "pro-gay." It's just being a decent human being. Way to completely ignore the legitimate point I'm trying to raise. > Keep in mind that we are talking about the falsification of research to malign gay people and take away their kids or prevent them from having kids. I'm not talking about Google's panel specifically, I'm talking about the general point that being tolerant even of people who hate you can still actually benefit you in the end, so long as everyone is open to debate, acts in good faith and respects the scientific process.
  - mike00632 8y ago
    >...homosexual family units are a new and unique phenomenon in human history... Families that drive cars are new to human history. Families where both parents have had orthodontic work are new to human history. It takes a special seed of bigotry to question whether LGBT people are inherently unfit to be parents. >... questioning assumptions and doing research on this issue is NOT bigoted. Making assumptions about people based on sexual orientation and falsifying research to further your mean-spirited assumptions is indeed bigotry. >"Considering gay people to by like other people is not being 'pro-gay.' It's just being a decent human being." Way to completely ignore the legitimate point I'm trying to raise. You're ignoring my point. Gays being treated like people is not an extreme left-wing ideology forwarded by activists. It's just a simple application of basic ethics and anyone who fails to do this does not belong on an ethics committee. >I'm talking about the general point that being tolerant even of people who hate you... A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance.
    - naasking 8y ago