> First, nothing you responded to clears up anything about your negative assumption that transgender people change for sports titles I don't care if they chang

> First, nothing you responded to clears up anything about your negative assumption that transgender people change for sports titles I don't care if they changed gender for the sake of winning sports titles or not. I'm against them competing in sports anyway. > If you want to dig into hormones, what about intersex people? What about people classified as women with significantly higher testosterone levels? That's definitely could an issue (see last paragraph). But IMO it's different that this is accidental from the individual's perspective. They themselves may be not aware of this. Sort of like getting lucky with good genes or rare mutation. Meanwhile for a transgender is purely a rational choice to transition. You may argue it's not fully rational since treatment is needed. But ultimately people do choose treatments and accept consequences for all sorts of illnesses. > But you give no argument for the unworthiness of it and instead start from the assumption. Not only that, but you paint with a very broad brush and are not digging into any of the nuance. Unfortunately interwebs comments are not well suited for a nuanced discussion. The person I originally replied to didn't go into nuance, neither did I. It'd be great if internet commentary moved towards more nuanced and longer discussions. But unfortunately old good forums with mile-long pagination are getting more and more scarce :( Especially with diverse audience. > What defines transphobia is ignorance, not gusts of cultural wind. What would make your actions change will have to be you, not the classification of them. I did research the topic and made my mind. IMO people who just jump on the ever-more-progressive bandwagon are much more ignorant. Ignorance shall be judge on refusing to look into the issue, not on coming to reasonable-yet-subjectively-wrong conclusions. > That definition will only go the other way as more people become educated on trans people. Personally I went the other way after reading more into it. > What's much more important than ever saying or doing something sexist/racist/transphobic/etc is being open to changing and understanding to not do it in the future. Yes. But that ability to change must be open both ways. IMO today's definitions went way too far and are too close to doing full horseshoe. Understanding is not just pushing the boundaries of what is progressive to no end. > Do you then want to have all sports competitions separated based on hormone levels instead of sex/gender? I'd support protection for the lesser (?) gender (women in endurance and power sports, men maybe in gymnastics?). Just have open group and the protected one for the lesser gender. In the long run, we'll probably need one more group for genetically-modified individuals.