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>not a subset so small to be statistically insignificant by any measure do you think the number of trans people compared to the world population isn't "a subse

>not a subset so small to be statistically insignificant by any measure do you think the number of trans people compared to the world population isn't "a subset so small to be statistically insignificant by any measure"?

tremon 8y ago
Yes, I think it isn't. Here[0] is a meta-study that illustrates the prevalence of transgenderism across continents and across time. It seems that as the concept of transgenderism becomes normalized, its prevalence increases. This is the same effect we have seen with homosexuality, so it's not terribly surprising. The short summary: as a lower bound, probably more than 1 in 10k people (0.01%) would identify as transgender. Including the DSM definition of gender dysphoria as an indicator, that figure rises to 1% or possibly even higher. Now, my question to you: how small should a subset be to be statistically insignificant? For popular reference (and I apologize for using this example again), keep in mind that the global prevalence of Judaism is 0.2%. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20141205022609/http://web.hku.hk/~sjwinter/TransgenderASIA/paper-how-many-trans-people-are-there.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20141205022609/http://web.hku.hk...
- mantas 8y ago
  .. and Judaism is not interesting at all for majority of people. Only where Jews have or had major presence it's an interesting topic. Go ask Chinese or Indians or Japanese what they think about Jews.
adjkant 8y ago
No, I think those competing in sports and the resulting effects on the lives of others is not significant to merit a large debate on the issue. A vast majority of transgender people will not participate in high competition level sports.
- Bendingo 8y ago
  > vast majority of transgender people will not participate in high competition level sports I agree. However those that do will affect (negatively) all the non-transgender women they are competing (and winning) against. And that does have "the largest and broadest effects on people" just not only transgender people.
  - adjkant 8y ago
    So how big is that compared to the life threatening issues facing trans people daily, and which do you focus your time on? To me, when people choose to spend time on this argument, it's indicative of priorities and how they value the lives of others, and whose lives. And yes, in an ideal world it's both. That's not the reality we have though. I'd also generally challenge that one competitor in a field has that large of an effect on people's lives. Yeah, that first to second stings slightly. How about that 15th to 16th? And how many sports really have this problem right now? Let's again focus on this relative to its effects.

tremon 8y ago

Yes, I think it isn't. Here[0] is a meta-study that illustrates the prevalence of transgenderism across continents and across time. It seems that as the concept of transgenderism becomes normalized, its prevalence increases. This is the same effect we have seen with homosexuality, so it's not terribly surprising. The short summary: as a lower bound, probably more than 1 in 10k people (0.01%) would identify as transgender. Including the DSM definition of gender dysphoria as an indicator, that figure rises to 1% or possibly even higher. Now, my question to you: how small should a subset be to be statistically insignificant? For popular reference (and I apologize for using this example again), keep in mind that the global prevalence of Judaism is 0.2%. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20141205022609/http://web.hku.hk/~sjwinter/TransgenderASIA/paper-how-many-trans-people-are-there.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20141205022609/http://web.hku.hk...

mantas 8y ago
.. and Judaism is not interesting at all for majority of people. Only where Jews have or had major presence it's an interesting topic. Go ask Chinese or Indians or Japanese what they think about Jews.

adjkant 8y ago

No, I think those competing in sports and the resulting effects on the lives of others is not significant to merit a large debate on the issue. A vast majority of transgender people will not participate in high competition level sports.

Bendingo 8y ago
> vast majority of transgender people will not participate in high competition level sports I agree. However those that do will affect (negatively) all the non-transgender women they are competing (and winning) against. And that does have "the largest and broadest effects on people" just not only transgender people.
- adjkant 8y ago
  So how big is that compared to the life threatening issues facing trans people daily, and which do you focus your time on? To me, when people choose to spend time on this argument, it's indicative of priorities and how they value the lives of others, and whose lives. And yes, in an ideal world it's both. That's not the reality we have though. I'd also generally challenge that one competitor in a field has that large of an effect on people's lives. Yeah, that first to second stings slightly. How about that 15th to 16th? And how many sports really have this problem right now? Let's again focus on this relative to its effects.