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Should she be in a position where her opposition to trans people can possibly have a direct effect on the lives of trans people? If one side of the argument is

by vore 8y ago

Should she be in a position where her opposition to trans people can possibly have a direct effect on the lives of trans people? If one side of the argument is "trans rights matter" and the other is "trans people are just men cosplaying as women", then morally you can only choose the "trans rights matter" side. Any political concerns take a backseat to the direct wellbeing of trans people.

AllegedAlec 8y ago
> then morally you can only choose the "trans rights matter" side I don't think that word means what you think it means. If you think that it's acceptable to twist the words of someone you disagree with to say that, you have no basis on which to make moral judgements.
tomp 8y ago
Isn't that a false dichotomy? I don't see a reason why people who "cosplay superman" or someone/something else would necessarily have to be denied any rights whatsoever...
naasking 8y ago
> If one side of the argument is "trans rights matter" and the other is "trans people are just men cosplaying as women", then morally you can only choose the "trans rights matter" side. I don't think anyone reasonable thinks that trans rights don't matter, they just disagree on what counts as a fundamental right. The N word is and should be taboo because it dehumanizes black people; it's literally calling them subhuman and not deserving equal consideration as a fellow human being. But as an example, this is not the case for misgendering. Misgendering a trans person isn't calling them subhuman or not deserving of equal human rights. Nearly everyone believes men and women should have equal rights, so misgendering is simply denying that a person has a right to classify themselves as a different sex than their "biological sex" [1]. I think there can be a legitimate debate on the ethical status of misgendering, but no such debate can happen given the mountains of vitriol thrown from all sides. [1] assuming you subscribe to a binary model of sex, but this too would be part of the debate

by vore 8y ago

AllegedAlec 8y ago

> then morally you can only choose the "trans rights matter" side I don't think that word means what you think it means. If you think that it's acceptable to twist the words of someone you disagree with to say that, you have no basis on which to make moral judgements.

tomp 8y ago

Isn't that a false dichotomy? I don't see a reason why people who "cosplay superman" or someone/something else would necessarily have to be denied any rights whatsoever...

naasking 8y ago

> If one side of the argument is "trans rights matter" and the other is "trans people are just men cosplaying as women", then morally you can only choose the "trans rights matter" side. I don't think anyone reasonable thinks that trans rights don't matter, they just disagree on what counts as a fundamental right. The N word is and should be taboo because it dehumanizes black people; it's literally calling them subhuman and not deserving equal consideration as a fellow human being. But as an example, this is not the case for misgendering. Misgendering a trans person isn't calling them subhuman or not deserving of equal human rights. Nearly everyone believes men and women should have equal rights, so misgendering is simply denying that a person has a right to classify themselves as a different sex than their "biological sex" [1]. I think there can be a legitimate debate on the ethical status of misgendering, but no such debate can happen given the mountains of vitriol thrown from all sides. [1] assuming you subscribe to a binary model of sex, but this too would be part of the debate