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> transphobe and racist These attributes are neither objective not illegal. Google are hypocrites; they want diversity, but not diversity of thought.

sytelus 8y ago
Not everything immoral has to be illegal. Good people draw line at former, not later.
- mantas 8y ago
  And morality is very subjective, thin line. E.g. is it moral for male-to-female trans to compete in women sports events?
  - adjkant 8y ago
    Instead of focusing on that, how about focusing on issues that affect the lives of most trans people, not a subset so small to be statistically insignificant by any measure, not to mention the near nonexistant impact that has on anyone else? Why play on the thin lines instead of focusing on the issues that have the largest and broadest effects on people?
    - tsukurimashou 8y ago
      >not a subset so small to be statistically insignificant by any measure do you think the number of trans people compared to the world population isn't "a subset so small to be statistically insignificant by any measure"?
      - tremon 8y ago
        Yes, I think it isn't. Here[0] is a meta-study that illustrates the prevalence of transgenderism across continents and across time. It seems that as the concept of transgenderism becomes normalized, its prevalence increases. This is the same effect we have seen with homosexuality, so it's not terribly surprising. The short summary: as a lower bound, probably more than 1 in 10k people (0.01%) would identify as transgender. Including the DSM definition of gender dysphoria as an indicator, that figure rises to 1% or possibly even higher. Now, my question to you: how small should a subset be to be statistically insignificant? For popular reference (and I apologize for using this example again), keep in mind that the global prevalence of Judaism is 0.2%. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20141205022609/http://web.hku.hk/~sjwinter/TransgenderASIA/paper-how-many-trans-people-are-there.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20141205022609/http://web.hku.hk...
        mantas 8y ago
        .. and Judaism is not interesting at all for majority of people. Only where Jews have or had major presence it's an interesting topic. Go ask Chinese or Indians or Japanese what they think about Jews.
      - adjkant 8y ago
        No, I think those competing in sports and the resulting effects on the lives of others is not significant to merit a large debate on the issue. A vast majority of transgender people will not participate in high competition level sports.
        Bendingo 8y ago
        > vast majority of transgender people will not participate in high competition level sports I agree. However those that do will affect (negatively) all the non-transgender women they are competing (and winning) against. And that does have "the largest and broadest effects on people" just not only transgender people.
        adjkant 8y ago
        So how big is that compared to the life threatening issues facing trans people daily, and which do you focus your time on? To me, when people choose to spend time on this argument, it's indicative of priorities and how they value the lives of others, and whose lives. And yes, in an ideal world it's both. That's not the reality we have though. I'd also generally challenge that one competitor in a field has that large of an effect on people's lives. Yeah, that first to second stings slightly. How about that 15th to 16th? And how many sports really have this problem right now? Let's again focus on this relative to its effects.
    - mantas 8y ago
      It certainly does have a broad effect on people. It will certainly hurt girls who dream of succeeding in sports. Because, well, if you weren't born a man, you're in for a rough ride. That definitely touches much more people than few genuine transgenders who just want to compete on fair playing field. Same issue how we treat transgenders touches a lot of other fields. E.g. who can perform body search? Can ex-male-now-female do body search on a female? I could easily see many females not so happy about it.
    - tree_of_item 8y ago
      Sport is a huge issue that affects a large number of people. You cannot just brush it aside like that. The same reasoning is going to apply to e.g. restroom usage as well.
      - w1nst0nsm1th 8y ago
        Indeed. It seems restroom discussion is a really important topic for american conservative people. But strangelly not so much locker room talks...
throwawaysea 8y ago
Given that there is a constant push to control Google by activists on the far-left side of the political spectrum, I don't know how Google can be trusted with the control over information that it has today. Their often purposely-visible love for diversity is truly skin-deep, and I think Google being split up is the only way to reduce the risk that a small group of activists filter the Internet for the whole world per their own worldviews alone.

sytelus 8y ago

Not everything immoral has to be illegal. Good people draw line at former, not later.

mantas 8y ago
And morality is very subjective, thin line. E.g. is it moral for male-to-female trans to compete in women sports events?
- adjkant 8y ago
  Instead of focusing on that, how about focusing on issues that affect the lives of most trans people, not a subset so small to be statistically insignificant by any measure, not to mention the near nonexistant impact that has on anyone else? Why play on the thin lines instead of focusing on the issues that have the largest and broadest effects on people?
  - tsukurimashou 8y ago
    >not a subset so small to be statistically insignificant by any measure do you think the number of trans people compared to the world population isn't "a subset so small to be statistically insignificant by any measure"?
    - tremon 8y ago
      Yes, I think it isn't. Here[0] is a meta-study that illustrates the prevalence of transgenderism across continents and across time. It seems that as the concept of transgenderism becomes normalized, its prevalence increases. This is the same effect we have seen with homosexuality, so it's not terribly surprising. The short summary: as a lower bound, probably more than 1 in 10k people (0.01%) would identify as transgender. Including the DSM definition of gender dysphoria as an indicator, that figure rises to 1% or possibly even higher. Now, my question to you: how small should a subset be to be statistically insignificant? For popular reference (and I apologize for using this example again), keep in mind that the global prevalence of Judaism is 0.2%. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20141205022609/http://web.hku.hk/~sjwinter/TransgenderASIA/paper-how-many-trans-people-are-there.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20141205022609/http://web.hku.hk...
      - mantas 8y ago
        .. and Judaism is not interesting at all for majority of people. Only where Jews have or had major presence it's an interesting topic. Go ask Chinese or Indians or Japanese what they think about Jews.
    - adjkant 8y ago
      No, I think those competing in sports and the resulting effects on the lives of others is not significant to merit a large debate on the issue. A vast majority of transgender people will not participate in high competition level sports.
      - Bendingo 8y ago
        > vast majority of transgender people will not participate in high competition level sports I agree. However those that do will affect (negatively) all the non-transgender women they are competing (and winning) against. And that does have "the largest and broadest effects on people" just not only transgender people.
        adjkant 8y ago
        So how big is that compared to the life threatening issues facing trans people daily, and which do you focus your time on? To me, when people choose to spend time on this argument, it's indicative of priorities and how they value the lives of others, and whose lives. And yes, in an ideal world it's both. That's not the reality we have though. I'd also generally challenge that one competitor in a field has that large of an effect on people's lives. Yeah, that first to second stings slightly. How about that 15th to 16th? And how many sports really have this problem right now? Let's again focus on this relative to its effects.
  - mantas 8y ago
    It certainly does have a broad effect on people. It will certainly hurt girls who dream of succeeding in sports. Because, well, if you weren't born a man, you're in for a rough ride. That definitely touches much more people than few genuine transgenders who just want to compete on fair playing field. Same issue how we treat transgenders touches a lot of other fields. E.g. who can perform body search? Can ex-male-now-female do body search on a female? I could easily see many females not so happy about it.
  - tree_of_item 8y ago
    Sport is a huge issue that affects a large number of people. You cannot just brush it aside like that. The same reasoning is going to apply to e.g. restroom usage as well.
    - w1nst0nsm1th 8y ago
      Indeed. It seems restroom discussion is a really important topic for american conservative people. But strangelly not so much locker room talks...

throwawaysea 8y ago

Given that there is a constant push to control Google by activists on the far-left side of the political spectrum, I don't know how Google can be trusted with the control over information that it has today. Their often purposely-visible love for diversity is truly skin-deep, and I think Google being split up is the only way to reduce the risk that a small group of activists filter the Internet for the whole world per their own worldviews alone.