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Backdoor is such a loaded word to use for a vulnerability. Especially since Huawei is involved. Shame on the person who came up with the title and the reporter
by msie 8y ago
Backdoor is such a loaded word to use for a vulnerability. Especially since Huawei is involved. Shame on the person who came up with the title and the reporter who uses the term in the article.
- z2 8y agoIt's a loaded newspaper: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times
- murderfs 8y agoThe Epoch Times is a Falun Gong propaganda arm, and Falun Gong is basically Chinese Scientology that the CCP has been trying to stamp out.
- verall 8y agoWhat? Maybe the Epoch Times is biased, but the Falun Gong is nothing like scientology: it has no fees and isn't trying to coerce anyone to join. It's a minority group that is persecuted by the CCP.
- yourbandsucks 8y agoWhat kind of minority group? They're religious kooks. That doesn't mean they deserve to be stamped out, necessarily, but they're also not a "minority group" by the common definition of the term.
- will4274 8y ago> they're also not a "minority group" by the common definition of the term. How not? The Chinese government locks them up, murders them, and harvests their organs because they disagree with the communist party. Sounds like pretty classic "authoritarian government vs minority group" to me.
- withhighprod 8y agoI read my grandma’s FaLun Gong book when I was 8. Eye opening that it’s completely bullshit and lies(the founder claimed he is omnipotent and could cure cancer). However China has a large gullible and uneducated population and you can’t imagine the harm such nonsense group could cause. And hell yes they definitively used it to profit. It’s freaking a hoax. It’s not a religion and It has nothing to do with “disagree with authoritarian” at all
- yourbandsucks 8y agoI don't think you engaged with my comment in good faith, here. Falun gong are han Chinese who chose to identify with a particular religious offshoot. That doesn't make them a minority group as westerners understand it. Would you call Mormons minorities?
- prawn 8y agoOutside of Utah, yes.
- indigo945 8y agoI think it is pretty common to refer to Jews or Muslims as minorities, and it doesn't seem weird to me to call Mormons a minority group as well.
- zaphirplane 8y agoIn general, You are defining minority group as minority ethnicity only
- will4274 8y agoYes. I'm an American and America was founded by a bunch of religious offshoots who were being persecuted in their home country for being offshoots (protestants) rather than having the majority religion of their peers (Catholic). Religious minorities are minorities too.
- ionwake 8y agoThat moment when you mention a group of people who just want to chill and meditate, but are instead being organ harvested. Then blame them for the world fearing Huawei security
- xxpor 8y agoThe Epoch Times is run by Falun Gong so they have an anti-Chinese government slant.
- stefan_ 8y agoThere is no valid reason, ever, for a driver to do what the Huawei driver did here. That should be obvious given the detection methods that Microsoft implemented in the kernel to find and prevent just this behavior. The Microsoft blog might stop short of calling it malware, but I think we don't need the faux politeness here. The fact that their malware also contained a privilege escalation (the "vulnerability") is merely icing on the cake.
- GalacticDomin8r 8y agoReally? Because MS and others have stated what Huawei did here isn't unheard of. This is simply news because it's Huawei and many want them to be guilty of backdooring US entities. Perhaps they are, but no more many other "respected" US companies.
- deogeo 8y agoTo be fair, doing things for which "There is no valid reason, ever" is not unheard of, especially in software.
- _cs2017_ 8y agoSince you make a very strong claim on a very complex topic, would you mind if I asked you to share whether you have expertise / credentials on drivers and security? Edit: I'm not sure if it's considered appropriate to ask for credentials on HN. There's one way to find out :)
- stefan_ 8y agoWhat is so complex about it? This is a very simple code injection technique ported to kernel space. Only, of course, there is essentially no use for code injection in any sort of production software.
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- aatharuv 8y agoThe Epoch Times has a very anti-PRC political stance. I've seen sensationalism in their reporting on the PRC. It's understandable though, given their affiliation with the persecuted Falun Gong. (Looks like the original URL has been changed to an actual Microsoft authored page.)
- CoolGuySteve 8y agoAgreed, it looks like the driver is just trying to keep MateBookServices.exe alive in a dumb way. My guess is someone had a hard time deciphering MSDN rather than some malicious motivation. I've had to wade through the CreateProcess and svchost docs before, the options and security restrictions are labyrinthine. I'm not sure how some Chinese engineer reading a translation could much better.
- walrus01 8y agoWithout stating a judgment one way or the other on the organization... Epoch times is run by Falun Gong. The Chinese official government line is that Falun Gong is an extremely dangerous cult that should be repressed. I've seen people on the English language internet intentionally comparing it to Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc. In reality it seems to be more like a Chinese version of Scientology.
- kapilvt 8y agoHey, Scientology is about making money, aka apples and oranges. Lots of religious movements and suppression’s would be more apt, try puritans.
- opportune 8y agoFrom what I've heard, Falun Gong is about making money too. It's basically "hey we'll help you and be real nice to you and help you get back on your feet. Now it's your turn to pay up with donations". Which seems better than scientology, I'd say it's most comparable to mormonism
- rqs 8y agoSounds like everybody on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_lists_of_cults https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_lists_of_cults As far as I know, among them, Falun Gong and The Church of Almighty God was making false promise about their ability of "getting people back on their feet". I don't know why people here are suddenly on fire when saw me put Falun Gong and cult together. In China, we use word "神棍"[0] to describe someone who fake their supernatural ability and pretend to be the messenger of god. And the word was come out before CCP even a thing, that alone can tell you something does it? [0] https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A3%8D%E9%A8%99#%E7%A5%9E%E6%A3%8D https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A3%8D%E9%A8%99#%E7%A5%9E%E...
- indigo945 8y agoHonestly, though, Falun Gong is barely even religious. Rather, it is Qi Gong practice with some "spirituality" bullshit. It's better compared to suburban yoga studios that sell smelly candles and "mindfulness" than Scientology, and it was actually pretty popular among PRC urbanites before the crackdown.
- flukus 8y agoI'm all for assuming incompetence over maliciousness, but that requires a certain amount of goodwill and trust toward the perpetrator, which is something Huawei doesn't have.