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This was discussed in depth in the long 1/25/19 article re the rescue: https://www.macleans.ca/thai-cave-rescue-heroes/ https://www.macleans.ca/thai-cave-rescue
by Nrbelex 8y ago
This was discussed in depth in the long 1/25/19 article re the rescue: https://www.macleans.ca/thai-cave-rescue-heroes/ https://www.macleans.ca/thai-cave-rescue-heroes/ (Previously https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19030307 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19030307)
> A word about sedation. A word, too, about Dr. Harry.
> Anaesthesiology requires more training than most branches of medicine; there is always some risk that when a patient is put under, he or she will never wake up. When the patient is a child, the risks are greater. When the child is yanked along underwater for hours through a dark, cold cave, the risks are incalculable—no one has ever done anything like this before.
> Dr. Harry believes the risks of sedating the children beat the risks of not sedating the children. The lead divers believe the same, and the Thais believe the experts know best. The children cannot dive; the children will panic; the children will drown their rescuers and themselves. That is why Dr. Harry is going to do this: inject 12 kids with a sedative so powerful it will knock them out cold.
> Ketamine: a horse tranquilizer, an operating-room drug, a soon-to-be cave-rescue pharmaceutical product in its early testing stages on rock-entombed human minors.
> If only it were so simple. The children’s drugs will need to be topped up with half-doses along the way. Dr. Harry cannot dive every child out himself, but the divers are not medical doctors. Dr. Harry must give a dozen cave hobbyists and small-business owners a crash course in do-it-yourself anaesthesiology.
> If anyone dies—and many divers think they will be lucky to save two or three of the kids—Dr. Harry will bear much of the burden. He is not licensed to practice medicine in Thailand, let alone teach other foreigners to practice. Though Thailand and Australia have offered some assurance that he won’t suffer legal consequences for his young patients’ probable deaths, a conscience and a name are not so easily protected.
- penagwin 8y agoI'm glad Thailand and Australia offered (albeit if only verbal) protection. This is one of those circumstances were typical regulations just don't make sense and need to be shortcut for a clear emergency. Edit: To add, all parties in this emergency agree it was necessary, so they didn't do anything without consent.
- iratewizard 8y agoI strongly agree. This video of a cave diver describing a near death experience adds a little color to what's at stake: https://youtube.com/watch?v=or92IMcLoIc https://youtube.com/watch?v=or92IMcLoIc
- Tepix 8y agoYes. This isn't news.
- climb_stealth 8y ago> Ketamine: a horse tranquilizer This is my favourite tidbit about Ketamine. It is always described in a way to imply that it is a very strong tranquilizer. Though AFAIK the reason it is used for horses is that it is fairly safe to use even when you don't know exactly how much mass the body has that you are trying to sedate. This applies for small bodies as well.