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What we have right now is not shaming, it's bullying. Boycotting a movie because the director cheated on his wife is no different than beating a classmate becau

What we have right now is not shaming, it's bullying. Boycotting a movie because the director cheated on his wife is no different than beating a classmate because his mother is fat. I can only hope we'll eventually outgrow it.

Miner49er 8y ago
No, those are very two different things, and that example actually shows the difference between bullying and shaming well. The director is being shamed for something he did. The kid is being bullied on the other hand, because it is over something out of his control.
- AlexTWithBeard 8y ago
  Fair point, I stand corrected then: let's consider beating a boy because he is fat?
  - Miner49er 8y ago
    I should've also pointed out there is also obviously a huge difference between not going to see a movie someone made and beating someone. Also, it's still out of the kid's control, depending on age (parents supply the food) so it's not a great example.
    - AlexTWithBeard 8y ago
      Depending on circumstances, boycotting a person and running his (or her) career may cause more suffering than beating. While these two situations are different, they have a lot in common: - the casus belli often has nothing to do with the bully. Being fat is my problem (unless you sit next to me in the airplane). Me cheating my wife is between two of us. None of that should be anyone's business - the purpose of both actions is hurting the individual, not correcting the behavior. Being beaten is an awful way to lose weight. - both actions are collective. Those trying to confront the bully are risking to become the next victim.
      - renox 8y ago
        In France there's a famous singer who beat a woman to death, by the same logic this is private business between him, the justice and the woman's family? I say no: at some point I don't want to be 'entertained' by someone I despise, even if I understand that this also impacts the rest of the band..
        AlexTWithBeard 8y ago
        The key difference is: if you don't want to listen to this guy's songs because you don't like him, that's perfectly fine. But if you start a public campaign to boycott his concerts in order to punish him further, that is akin to bullying.

Miner49er 8y ago

No, those are very two different things, and that example actually shows the difference between bullying and shaming well. The director is being shamed for something he did. The kid is being bullied on the other hand, because it is over something out of his control.

AlexTWithBeard 8y ago
Fair point, I stand corrected then: let's consider beating a boy because he is fat?
- Miner49er 8y ago
  I should've also pointed out there is also obviously a huge difference between not going to see a movie someone made and beating someone. Also, it's still out of the kid's control, depending on age (parents supply the food) so it's not a great example.
  - AlexTWithBeard 8y ago
    Depending on circumstances, boycotting a person and running his (or her) career may cause more suffering than beating. While these two situations are different, they have a lot in common: - the casus belli often has nothing to do with the bully. Being fat is my problem (unless you sit next to me in the airplane). Me cheating my wife is between two of us. None of that should be anyone's business - the purpose of both actions is hurting the individual, not correcting the behavior. Being beaten is an awful way to lose weight. - both actions are collective. Those trying to confront the bully are risking to become the next victim.
    - renox 8y ago
      In France there's a famous singer who beat a woman to death, by the same logic this is private business between him, the justice and the woman's family? I say no: at some point I don't want to be 'entertained' by someone I despise, even if I understand that this also impacts the rest of the band..
      - AlexTWithBeard 8y ago
        The key difference is: if you don't want to listen to this guy's songs because you don't like him, that's perfectly fine. But if you start a public campaign to boycott his concerts in order to punish him further, that is akin to bullying.