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> people who used to bear the brunt of such bullish behavior can finally have a voice Except they always had a voice, and acting like they did not does not hel

> people who used to bear the brunt of such bullish behavior can finally have a voice Except they always had a voice, and acting like they did not does not help. They also had the choice to not listen. > You're imagining shadows on the wall coming to get you if you think that there are people literally waiting for you to say something to take your job away. I am not sure you have been keeping up with things. That is exactly what is happening. Say the wrong words, end your job. > Meanwhile the people who are picked on do have people doxxing them, emailing them grotesque photos and death threats, showing up at their houses, etc. I would bet a good sum of money that you've never had to deal with any of that. While I am sure this has happens to people, and has to many people on all sorts of sides of any conversation. This is not a "them us" issue. If things like this have happened to you I am very sorry that you had to experience that. But that has nothing to do with all peoples who are 'loud-mouth' and all peoples who are 'anti-sjw'. The actions described belong solely to the individuals who did them. Please stop grouping people based on different attributes, it leads to racism and bigotry. Each one of us are individuals and should be judged as so. Doing any thing other is outright nonsense. I will not let you take my or any other persons individuality and water it down to some group you define. We are all individual and and can only be held accountable for your actions good or bad. > Learn some non-violent communication. Words are never violent. Words are not physical. (I am with you if somebody starts throwing wood cutouts of words at people, yeah that is probably bad) > Empathize with other people. It seems those who find words "violent" are the ones that are not capable of empathizing with the society around them, thus wanting everybody to conform to their subjective views. > Maybe you should check yourself. Just because some people do bad things does not mean everybody needs to change their behavior because it reminds you of the things bad people have done in the past.

jodrellblank 8y ago
"They" always had a voice in the same way women always had a voice in science and black people always had a voice in America. "Having a voice" which is technically true but you can't use it for social reasons, and nobody listens to it, doesn't count as having a voice. I am not sure you have been keeping up with things. That is exactly what is happening. Say the wrong words, end your job. Sure it happens. Does it happen a tenth as often as the times a woman gets sexually harassed in an office and is expected to ignore it as normal? That any rebalancing of power will involve some problems, doesn't mean that rebalancing is entirely bad and should be avoided, and that the people on the lower side of the power scale should be quiet and stop being uppity because the people on the high side don't like it. > I will not let you take my or any other persons individuality and water it down to some group you define. You just grouped a huge number of people from disparate backgrounds into "they always had a voice" to bulk-dismiss their speaking up. Why aren't you taking their situations as invidual situations with their own merits? Why aren't you willing to admit that any of them at all might have a valid point? > Words are never violent. Words are not physical, but that's not enough to say they aren't violent. Look at a definition of "violent" and its synonyms, many of them apply to words: synonyms: harsh, rough, aggressive, bullying, threatening, terrorizing, fierce, hot-tempered, frenzied, inhuman, heartless, callous, ruthless, merciless, pitiless, cruel, destructive, damaging, painful; 2. (especially of an emotion or a destructive natural force) very strong or powerful. "violent dislike", synonyms: intense, extreme, strong, powerful, forceful, raging" If you can have "violent dislike" you can sure have "pitiless cruel intense extreme terrorizing callous bullying" words..

jodrellblank 8y ago

"They" always had a voice in the same way women always had a voice in science and black people always had a voice in America. "Having a voice" which is technically true but you can't use it for social reasons, and nobody listens to it, doesn't count as having a voice. I am not sure you have been keeping up with things. That is exactly what is happening. Say the wrong words, end your job. Sure it happens. Does it happen a tenth as often as the times a woman gets sexually harassed in an office and is expected to ignore it as normal? That any rebalancing of power will involve some problems, doesn't mean that rebalancing is entirely bad and should be avoided, and that the people on the lower side of the power scale should be quiet and stop being uppity because the people on the high side don't like it. > I will not let you take my or any other persons individuality and water it down to some group you define. You just grouped a huge number of people from disparate backgrounds into "they always had a voice" to bulk-dismiss their speaking up. Why aren't you taking their situations as invidual situations with their own merits? Why aren't you willing to admit that any of them at all might have a valid point? > Words are never violent. Words are not physical, but that's not enough to say they aren't violent. Look at a definition of "violent" and its synonyms, many of them apply to words: synonyms: harsh, rough, aggressive, bullying, threatening, terrorizing, fierce, hot-tempered, frenzied, inhuman, heartless, callous, ruthless, merciless, pitiless, cruel, destructive, damaging, painful; 2. (especially of an emotion or a destructive natural force) very strong or powerful. "violent dislike", synonyms: intense, extreme, strong, powerful, forceful, raging" If you can have "violent dislike" you can sure have "pitiless cruel intense extreme terrorizing callous bullying" words..