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Why are you so offended about other people being offended? Why not just say, “this must be a big issue to them”? Why do you feel the need to prove that these t

Why are you so offended about other people being offended? Why not just say, “this must be a big issue to them”? Why do you feel the need to prove that these things don’t offend you, and that thus they shouldn’t offend others?

stirfrykitty 8y ago
I'm not "offended". I'm sick and tired of political correctness invading every aspect of life. Leave it for the politicians. I'm not going to change who I am to please someone else. Everyone else is already taken. Like most people, I have strong views on many things, and some of those things are hills worth dying for. Other things are more grey and I overlook them or simply don't care at all. It's come to a place now in society where even silence can be taken the wrong way. I've been accused of being politically incorrect over the years because I refuse to cotton to certain things the mainstream embraces, but I refuse to budge. My convictions are mine and mine alone. I don't try and change other people's convictions. But... if you stand for nothing, you fall for anything.
- DonaldPShimoda 8y ago
  > I'm not "offended". I'm sick and tired of political correctness invading every aspect of life. This is like a gay person saying "I'm not 'offended'. I'm sick and tired of anti-gay sentiment invading every aspect of life." Your lack of introspection is showing through. You want to be able to say and act however you feel is appropriate — which is fine —, but you don't want other people to be able to call you out for what you say and do. This makes no sense, because those people are just saying and acting however they feel is appropriate — by calling you out. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
- brenschluss 8y ago
  Society is changing. You don't have to. People will judge you for what you say, the same way that you judge others for what they say. What it seems here is that, while you judge others, you demand for the right to not be judged by others.
- jodrellblank 8y ago
  You're on HN so you have some tech education and access to computing resources. You speak English, probably at a native level. You've been a marine which probably means US Army. You're very likely male, and white, and American from birth, and comparatively wealthy - vehicle owning, at least. Straight, CIS gendered, Christian, Jewish or atheist, physically and mentally mostly healthy, and between 18 and 60 years old? If so, you sit at the top of a power hierarchy of hundreds of years of dominator culture, in the best possible region you could be in. Certainly your individual experience of life won't be Donald Trump just because you own a car, certainly you have problems in life that you fought against and overcame with difficulty, that doesn't say your life is easy full stop. It says your baseline position is vastly above a whole lot of other people. You might not fit this profile exactly, you may be Black, Mexican, have emigrated as a child, have struggled with poverty or single parent childhood, and so on. But you probably aren't far outside this, you probably aren't a Fillipino immigrant with no education learning English age 30 and working a labouring job, or a South Indian woman in an arranged marriage with no driving license and no access to money, or etc. Other people suffer the same kinds of individual problems of life, but do so starting from a much lower baseline, that's the bit that's unfair. Not the idea "everyone has problems" but the idea "some people have problems, other people ahve double problems, and we could fix it so they don't". That is, someone attending a poor inner city school has a worse outcome than someone attending a wealthy suburban school. Yet you can still find suburban school students who have a difficult time and a bad outcome, and inner city school students who overcome the problems and have a great outcome. Neither of those changes the overall dynamic that poor inner city schools have worse outcomes overall. This kind of discussion is always "I have problems at my inner city school" "well I had problems at my suburban school too, so stop complaining" or "well I had inner city school problems as well and I overcame them, so stop complaining". Completely invalidating a large number of inner city school students who justifiably and validly feel the situation is unbalanced and unfair, and want to do something to make it more fair in general. Privileged person saying "I'm sick and tired of hearing about your complaints" isn't a great position stick to and take pride in.
mbrumlow 8y ago
I am perfect find on people being offended. What I am not fine with is that the notion of being offended translates into anything other than the person simply being offended. EG, offending somebody -- because it is so subjective -- should simply be that, they are offended. END OF STORY. But right now being offended is as if you walked up to somebody and spit in their face, or worse punched them. And the actions being taken by those who "offend" are on par with actions you would take had somebody physically attacked another person.

stirfrykitty 8y ago

I'm not "offended". I'm sick and tired of political correctness invading every aspect of life. Leave it for the politicians. I'm not going to change who I am to please someone else. Everyone else is already taken. Like most people, I have strong views on many things, and some of those things are hills worth dying for. Other things are more grey and I overlook them or simply don't care at all. It's come to a place now in society where even silence can be taken the wrong way. I've been accused of being politically incorrect over the years because I refuse to cotton to certain things the mainstream embraces, but I refuse to budge. My convictions are mine and mine alone. I don't try and change other people's convictions. But... if you stand for nothing, you fall for anything.

DonaldPShimoda 8y ago
> I'm not "offended". I'm sick and tired of political correctness invading every aspect of life. This is like a gay person saying "I'm not 'offended'. I'm sick and tired of anti-gay sentiment invading every aspect of life." Your lack of introspection is showing through. You want to be able to say and act however you feel is appropriate — which is fine —, but you don't want other people to be able to call you out for what you say and do. This makes no sense, because those people are just saying and acting however they feel is appropriate — by calling you out. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
brenschluss 8y ago
Society is changing. You don't have to. People will judge you for what you say, the same way that you judge others for what they say. What it seems here is that, while you judge others, you demand for the right to not be judged by others.
jodrellblank 8y ago
You're on HN so you have some tech education and access to computing resources. You speak English, probably at a native level. You've been a marine which probably means US Army. You're very likely male, and white, and American from birth, and comparatively wealthy - vehicle owning, at least. Straight, CIS gendered, Christian, Jewish or atheist, physically and mentally mostly healthy, and between 18 and 60 years old? If so, you sit at the top of a power hierarchy of hundreds of years of dominator culture, in the best possible region you could be in. Certainly your individual experience of life won't be Donald Trump just because you own a car, certainly you have problems in life that you fought against and overcame with difficulty, that doesn't say your life is easy full stop. It says your baseline position is vastly above a whole lot of other people. You might not fit this profile exactly, you may be Black, Mexican, have emigrated as a child, have struggled with poverty or single parent childhood, and so on. But you probably aren't far outside this, you probably aren't a Fillipino immigrant with no education learning English age 30 and working a labouring job, or a South Indian woman in an arranged marriage with no driving license and no access to money, or etc. Other people suffer the same kinds of individual problems of life, but do so starting from a much lower baseline, that's the bit that's unfair. Not the idea "everyone has problems" but the idea "some people have problems, other people ahve double problems, and we could fix it so they don't". That is, someone attending a poor inner city school has a worse outcome than someone attending a wealthy suburban school. Yet you can still find suburban school students who have a difficult time and a bad outcome, and inner city school students who overcome the problems and have a great outcome. Neither of those changes the overall dynamic that poor inner city schools have worse outcomes overall. This kind of discussion is always "I have problems at my inner city school" "well I had problems at my suburban school too, so stop complaining" or "well I had inner city school problems as well and I overcame them, so stop complaining". Completely invalidating a large number of inner city school students who justifiably and validly feel the situation is unbalanced and unfair, and want to do something to make it more fair in general. Privileged person saying "I'm sick and tired of hearing about your complaints" isn't a great position stick to and take pride in.

mbrumlow 8y ago

I am perfect find on people being offended. What I am not fine with is that the notion of being offended translates into anything other than the person simply being offended. EG, offending somebody -- because it is so subjective -- should simply be that, they are offended. END OF STORY. But right now being offended is as if you walked up to somebody and spit in their face, or worse punched them. And the actions being taken by those who "offend" are on par with actions you would take had somebody physically attacked another person.