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Not pay him hundreds of thousands of dollars every year, not contribute billions in development time, etc. This is already happening. People already choose not

Not pay him hundreds of thousands of dollars every year, not contribute billions in development time, etc. This is already happening. People already choose not to contribute to Linux and Fuschia isn't just some hobby project.

matz1 8y ago
I don't think all of this really matter to him anyway. He started this linux thing for free.
- staticassertion 8y ago
  Then why the attitude adjustment?
  - matz1 8y ago
    Which i don't think he should do.
    - eropple 8y ago
      You don't think Linus should reflect on his behavior from time to time and maybe change it if he no longer feels that it's a good idea for him personally or professionally? He should keep doing the same things, damn all the consequences, just because other people--people he may respect and trust--have told him it's probably not a great idea? That's a hot take, indeed. Me, I think one should be constantly reevaluating what one believes and making sure one's actions are congruent with the life one wants to lead, but--you do you, I guess.
      - matz1 8y ago
        >You don't think Linus should reflect on his behavior from time to time and maybe change it if he no longer feels that it's a good idea for him personally or professionally? He should, only if he is truly care about that.
        eropple 8y ago
        And yet all your posts implicitly assume that he doesn't care. Doesn't that level of cynicism...hurt? Like, personally hurt? It's not good, dude.
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        matz1 8y ago
        Thats the trait i personally like and admire about linus, the fuck you，my way or highway attitude.
        eropple 8y ago
        So because you, for reasons that if I'm being frank don't seem great, like that he does that, he shouldn't reflect on his actions and decide if they're actually congruent with the life he wants to lead and the example he wants to set for other people? Hm.
        matz1 8y ago
        He should but every person definition on what life one want are different. For example, someone want to just work on project according what his style and if other people feeling get hurt by this, as long as this project owner happy and fine by the situation then the logical action he should take is to just ignore the them. Some other people who do care about other people feeling then sure, they should listen to them. These 2 people are different so too differ on what life they want and what makes them happy. There are no right or wrong from any this.
- islanderfun 8y ago
  > He started this linux thing for free In 1991 as a college student. The situation has changed drastically. I'd guess his primary source of income matters greatly if it were to disappear or drastically shrink.
mbrumlow 8y ago
So were are back to "if you offend me, I take your job away". He clearly has added value. He has run one of the MOST successful projects EVER. Most CEOs are never this successful, to so say he is not doing something mostly right is weird to say.
- tonyarkles 8y ago
  > so say he is not doing something mostly right is weird to say He has done a lot of things right! But that doesn't mean that he needs to continue with personal attacks during patch reviews and feature discussions in a public forum. Does it seem possible that the quality of the project could have remained the way it was without things like this being said to contributors (no matter how misguided they are): > Of course, I'd also suggest that whoever was the genius who thought it was a good idea to read things ONE FCKING BYTE AT A TIME with system calls for each byte should be retroactively aborted. Who the fck does idiotic things like that? How did they noty die as babies, considering that they were likely too stupid to find a tit to suck on? Yes, reading anything one byte at a time is generally a bad idea. That patch should not be accepted. But... saying things like that probably isn't necessary to get the point across. People have been telling him that for a long time, and he's finally sat back, reflected on it, and decided to change. I don't think anyone's suggesting that the project hasn't been wildly successful, nor that it hasn't generally been a great project to contribute to. But over the years there's been some pretty wild things said to nominally-valued contributors, and some of them have left over it.
  - matz1 8y ago
    That is if you care about other people feeling.
- staticassertion 8y ago
  He's not a CEO. I'd be shocked to see a CEO behave this way and have a board that continues to support them.
repolfx 8y ago
Fuschia isn't existing because Linus occasionally flames people though. It's because Google has tons of employees who want to write operating systems, and maybe because of the desire for driver ABI stability.

matz1 8y ago

I don't think all of this really matter to him anyway. He started this linux thing for free.

staticassertion 8y ago
Then why the attitude adjustment?
- matz1 8y ago
  Which i don't think he should do.
  - eropple 8y ago
    You don't think Linus should reflect on his behavior from time to time and maybe change it if he no longer feels that it's a good idea for him personally or professionally? He should keep doing the same things, damn all the consequences, just because other people--people he may respect and trust--have told him it's probably not a great idea? That's a hot take, indeed. Me, I think one should be constantly reevaluating what one believes and making sure one's actions are congruent with the life one wants to lead, but--you do you, I guess.
    - matz1 8y ago
      >You don't think Linus should reflect on his behavior from time to time and maybe change it if he no longer feels that it's a good idea for him personally or professionally? He should, only if he is truly care about that.
      - eropple 8y ago
        And yet all your posts implicitly assume that he doesn't care. Doesn't that level of cynicism...hurt? Like, personally hurt? It's not good, dude.
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        matz1 8y ago
        Thats the trait i personally like and admire about linus, the fuck you，my way or highway attitude.
        eropple 8y ago
        So because you, for reasons that if I'm being frank don't seem great, like that he does that, he shouldn't reflect on his actions and decide if they're actually congruent with the life he wants to lead and the example he wants to set for other people? Hm.
        matz1 8y ago
        He should but every person definition on what life one want are different. For example, someone want to just work on project according what his style and if other people feeling get hurt by this, as long as this project owner happy and fine by the situation then the logical action he should take is to just ignore the them. Some other people who do care about other people feeling then sure, they should listen to them. These 2 people are different so too differ on what life they want and what makes them happy. There are no right or wrong from any this.
islanderfun 8y ago
> He started this linux thing for free In 1991 as a college student. The situation has changed drastically. I'd guess his primary source of income matters greatly if it were to disappear or drastically shrink.

mbrumlow 8y ago

So were are back to "if you offend me, I take your job away". He clearly has added value. He has run one of the MOST successful projects EVER. Most CEOs are never this successful, to so say he is not doing something mostly right is weird to say.

tonyarkles 8y ago
> so say he is not doing something mostly right is weird to say He has done a lot of things right! But that doesn't mean that he needs to continue with personal attacks during patch reviews and feature discussions in a public forum. Does it seem possible that the quality of the project could have remained the way it was without things like this being said to contributors (no matter how misguided they are): > Of course, I'd also suggest that whoever was the genius who thought it was a good idea to read things ONE FCKING BYTE AT A TIME with system calls for each byte should be retroactively aborted. Who the fck does idiotic things like that? How did they noty die as babies, considering that they were likely too stupid to find a tit to suck on? Yes, reading anything one byte at a time is generally a bad idea. That patch should not be accepted. But... saying things like that probably isn't necessary to get the point across. People have been telling him that for a long time, and he's finally sat back, reflected on it, and decided to change. I don't think anyone's suggesting that the project hasn't been wildly successful, nor that it hasn't generally been a great project to contribute to. But over the years there's been some pretty wild things said to nominally-valued contributors, and some of them have left over it.
- matz1 8y ago
  That is if you care about other people feeling.
staticassertion 8y ago
He's not a CEO. I'd be shocked to see a CEO behave this way and have a board that continues to support them.

repolfx 8y ago

Fuschia isn't existing because Linus occasionally flames people though. It's because Google has tons of employees who want to write operating systems, and maybe because of the desire for driver ABI stability.