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> She's gets called a stupid bitch and told girls can't code, and that she should go back to her dolls, or back into the kitchen. She decides to drop her idea o

> She's gets called a stupid bitch and told girls can't code, and that she should go back to her dolls, or back into the kitchen. She decides to drop her idea of becoming an engineer. This is a complete strawman. Linus has never said anything like this and neither has any other open source leader to the best of my knowledge. Not even close.

genera1 8y ago
This specific scenario didn't happen. But still, Linus has been downright abusive towards contributors in the past. It might have influenced some peoples decision to stop or to never start contributing to Linux.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  He's "abusive" toward technical incompetence. We don't want incompetent contributions to Linux.
  - genera1 8y ago
    He was abusive toward people, who made mistakes. There are ways of providing feedback, that don't include belittling people, questioning their mental health or straight up name-calling.
  - joshuamorton 8y ago
    > Of course, I'd also suggest that whoever was the genius who thought it was a good idea to read things ONE F-CKING BYTE AT A TIME with system calls for each byte should be retroactively aborted. Who the f-ck does idiotic things like that? How did they noty die as babies, considering that they were likely too stupid to find a tit to suck on? [replaced asterisks with - for formatting] Is not being abusive towards technical incompetence. Its being abusive towards a person who made a mistake. You can be as forceful and as clear about technical problems without being abusive. A simple "this patch should never have been accepted, and if the approver continues to accept bad changes like this I'll need to re-evaluate their position as a maintainer" gets the same, or perhaps an even more forceful message about the technical issues across, without any personal attacks. Technical incompetence need not be tolerated. But suggesting someone be retroactively aborted shouldn't be either.
sascha_sl 8y ago
Read the comment again. It wasn't about Linus. It was just a thing that happens and deters people from contributing code. That's why any project, and especially one as important and big as the Linux kernel should not be "my project my rules". You need safeguards against this sort of behavior.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  > It was just a thing that happens Citation needed.
mj_olnir 8y ago
Delmania was responding to stirfrykitty's argument that SJWs are ruining things, not Torvalds' specific arguments. Their comment wasn't a strawman, but rather on point. Anecdotally, as a university student, I've seen plenty of times in group projects and asking/answering questions in class where opinions brought by both female and not-native (intersectionally, compounded) students are belittled or discarded.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  Anecdotally as someone in the industry 20+ years I've very, very rarely seen this and 100% of the time it has occurred the offender was properly dealt with.

genera1 8y ago

This specific scenario didn't happen. But still, Linus has been downright abusive towards contributors in the past. It might have influenced some peoples decision to stop or to never start contributing to Linux.

malvosenior 8y ago
He's "abusive" toward technical incompetence. We don't want incompetent contributions to Linux.
- genera1 8y ago
  He was abusive toward people, who made mistakes. There are ways of providing feedback, that don't include belittling people, questioning their mental health or straight up name-calling.
- joshuamorton 8y ago
  > Of course, I'd also suggest that whoever was the genius who thought it was a good idea to read things ONE F-CKING BYTE AT A TIME with system calls for each byte should be retroactively aborted. Who the f-ck does idiotic things like that? How did they noty die as babies, considering that they were likely too stupid to find a tit to suck on? [replaced asterisks with - for formatting] Is not being abusive towards technical incompetence. Its being abusive towards a person who made a mistake. You can be as forceful and as clear about technical problems without being abusive. A simple "this patch should never have been accepted, and if the approver continues to accept bad changes like this I'll need to re-evaluate their position as a maintainer" gets the same, or perhaps an even more forceful message about the technical issues across, without any personal attacks. Technical incompetence need not be tolerated. But suggesting someone be retroactively aborted shouldn't be either.

sascha_sl 8y ago

Read the comment again. It wasn't about Linus. It was just a thing that happens and deters people from contributing code. That's why any project, and especially one as important and big as the Linux kernel should not be "my project my rules". You need safeguards against this sort of behavior.

malvosenior 8y ago
> It was just a thing that happens Citation needed.

mj_olnir 8y ago

Delmania was responding to stirfrykitty's argument that SJWs are ruining things, not Torvalds' specific arguments. Their comment wasn't a strawman, but rather on point. Anecdotally, as a university student, I've seen plenty of times in group projects and asking/answering questions in class where opinions brought by both female and not-native (intersectionally, compounded) students are belittled or discarded.

malvosenior 8y ago
Anecdotally as someone in the industry 20+ years I've very, very rarely seen this and 100% of the time it has occurred the offender was properly dealt with.