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Not much better in Canada: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/guilty-plea-ends-case-that-pitted-cellphone-privacy-rights-against-border-security-powers https:

Not much better in Canada: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/guilty-plea-ends-case-that-pitted-cellphone-privacy-rights-against-border-security-powers https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/guilty-plea-ends-case-t...

refurb 8y ago
Yup! Not sure why Canada gets to slip under the radar on things like this. They are demanding access to devices as well.
pera 8y ago
And also Australia and the UK: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-08/if-a-border-agent-demands-access-to-your-digital-device/10350762 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-08/if-a-border-agent-dem... https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/25/traveler-who-refused-to-give-device-passwords-to-police-found-guilty-of-obstruction-in-uk-court/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/25/traveler-who-refused-to-gi... It seems to be mostly a Five Eyes thing.
- jerf 8y ago
  It scares me the number of people who think that the US is in some uniquely bad place for some issue, not because of "whataboutism" but because of the blindness it can entail and skewed perceptions of all sides. No, it's not a dystopia in the US, but a wonderland paradise everywhere else. There's plenty of places that treat various people badly.
  - pimmen 8y ago
    Agreed. I'm European and it astonishes me how a wall at the border is so divisive, with some even calling it un-American, and in the EU there are essentially no legal ways for refugees to enter at all (we've made it practically impossible to fly) and children die by the boat loads in the Mediterranean, yet we Europeans think we are in a position to judge the US. Astonishing is the word.
pmoriarty 8y ago
Countries often have reciprocal arrangements regarding how they treat each other's citizens. If your country treats country X's citizens like crap, odds are country X will start treating your country's citizens like crap too. Because of this, it's likely that the world will likely spiral to worse and worse treatment of everyone. As the saying goes, an eye for an eye and soon the whole world is blind.
- alasdair_ 8y ago
  This is why Brazil now fingerprints travellers from the USA and not from anywhere else.
marrrky 8y ago
“On the other hand, we’ve got very recent case law from the Supreme Court of Canada, starting in about 2010, that says you’ve got an intense amount of privacy in your electronic devices." If he went all the way up to the supreme court instead of taking the plea deal, the story might have gone the other way. Well if CBSA continues with this practice I hope it ends up with a lawsuit and gets shut down by the supreme court.

refurb 8y ago

Yup! Not sure why Canada gets to slip under the radar on things like this. They are demanding access to devices as well.

pera 8y ago

And also Australia and the UK: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-08/if-a-border-agent-demands-access-to-your-digital-device/10350762 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-08/if-a-border-agent-dem... https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/25/traveler-who-refused-to-give-device-passwords-to-police-found-guilty-of-obstruction-in-uk-court/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/25/traveler-who-refused-to-gi... It seems to be mostly a Five Eyes thing.

jerf 8y ago
It scares me the number of people who think that the US is in some uniquely bad place for some issue, not because of "whataboutism" but because of the blindness it can entail and skewed perceptions of all sides. No, it's not a dystopia in the US, but a wonderland paradise everywhere else. There's plenty of places that treat various people badly.
- pimmen 8y ago
  Agreed. I'm European and it astonishes me how a wall at the border is so divisive, with some even calling it un-American, and in the EU there are essentially no legal ways for refugees to enter at all (we've made it practically impossible to fly) and children die by the boat loads in the Mediterranean, yet we Europeans think we are in a position to judge the US. Astonishing is the word.

pmoriarty 8y ago

Countries often have reciprocal arrangements regarding how they treat each other's citizens. If your country treats country X's citizens like crap, odds are country X will start treating your country's citizens like crap too. Because of this, it's likely that the world will likely spiral to worse and worse treatment of everyone. As the saying goes, an eye for an eye and soon the whole world is blind.

alasdair_ 8y ago
This is why Brazil now fingerprints travellers from the USA and not from anywhere else.

marrrky 8y ago

“On the other hand, we’ve got very recent case law from the Supreme Court of Canada, starting in about 2010, that says you’ve got an intense amount of privacy in your electronic devices." If he went all the way up to the supreme court instead of taking the plea deal, the story might have gone the other way. Well if CBSA continues with this practice I hope it ends up with a lawsuit and gets shut down by the supreme court.