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Also, don't fly through the US to get to that conference in Canada.

Diederich 8y ago
Is it a risk if you stay in the airport, in the secure zone? (Whatever it's called...I've flown rarely over the past couple of decades.)
- angott 8y ago
  The US forces you to clear customs regardless of your final destination (transfers included).
- Cerium 8y ago
  All flights that stop in the USA require all passengers to clear customs before continuing their journey.
  - Diederich 8y ago
    I had no idea, thank you.
    - schoen 8y ago
      This is often called "sterile transit" (the ability to depart the airport without passing through immigration), and the U.S. and Mexico (and apparently Canada) don't allow this, while generally European and Asian countries do. https://wikitravel.org/en/Avoiding_a_transit_of_the_United_States https://wikitravel.org/en/Avoiding_a_transit_of_the_United_S...
      - TheRealPomax 8y ago
        No EU airport allows this for flights from outside the EU/Schengen zone. Every international airport has dedicated "EU internal" and "all other" terminal pathways for this reason.
        duskhen 8y ago
        Yes, they do. Unless I misinterpreted your comment, connection flights from outside EU to US/Canada don’t require the Schengen visa as passengers don’t leave the “clean” zone.
      - wang_li 8y ago
        I've had to go through security and immigration when flying through Dublin and Seoul. So I don't think you can exempt Europe and Asia from the list.
        schoen 8y ago
        Were you flying to or from somewhere else in Europe in the Dublin case? A subtlety about this which has just come up elsewhere in this thread is that the whole Schengen Area is treated as a single "country" for immigration purposes, so if you have an intra-European flight, you have to enter or exit "Europe" in the course of a transfer to or from an external flight. But I think if you fly, for example, from New York to Paris and then on to Tunis, you don't have to go through immigration controls in Paris.
        wang_li 8y ago
        I was flying from Seattle to Rome with a connecting flight in Dublin. In both Rome and Dublin I had to go through immigration (that is, present my passport) and in Dublin I had my carry on X-rayed again. Upon arrival in Rome, after clearing immigration I had to go through customs, which is to say I walked out the "Nothing to Declare" portal.
        schoen 8y ago
        Oh, I just remembered that Ireland isn't in the Schengen Area (due to the Common Travel Area with the UK). So you wouldn't have a domestic-style flight from Ireland to Italy. But your experience then does seem to confirm that Dublin doesn't offer sterile transit at all, which is a bit of a surprise to me.
- teh_klev 8y ago
  Yes, on a flight to and from New Zealand with a refuel/crew change in LA I was fingerprinted, retina scanned and asked about my personal business despite being held in the "secure" zone. This was 2005 so they didn't have such a hard-on for electronic devices back then. Seeing as the US has upped its game quite a bit since then, the likelihood of me ever visiting the US is now zero. Sorry my fellow US HN'rs. And you know it's such a shame because I had a trip to Boston in November 2002, and even with it being only just over a year since 9/11, my passage through customs was friction-less and the staff were delighted that we'd come to visit the US. No fingerprints, no eyeball scanning, no interrogation, just a friendly "business or pleasure, and enjoy your stay".
  - xnyan 8y ago
    If you're not being hassled in EU airports, it's because they already have your information. Not whataboutism, but most EU states and all the powerful ones have active, conservative intelligence and police that work closely with the United States and give them any information they want. Stay safe. It's not just 5 countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
- barkingcat 8y ago
  Yes the secure zone is even more risky in my opinion.
- cylinder 8y ago
  There is no transit visa to the US. Everyone landing goes through customs and immigration regardless of whether you are connecting to another flight.

Is it a risk if you stay in the airport, in the secure zone? (Whatever it's called...I've flown rarely over the past couple of decades.)

angott 8y ago
The US forces you to clear customs regardless of your final destination (transfers included).
Cerium 8y ago
All flights that stop in the USA require all passengers to clear customs before continuing their journey.
- Diederich 8y ago
  I had no idea, thank you.
  - schoen 8y ago
    This is often called "sterile transit" (the ability to depart the airport without passing through immigration), and the U.S. and Mexico (and apparently Canada) don't allow this, while generally European and Asian countries do. https://wikitravel.org/en/Avoiding_a_transit_of_the_United_States https://wikitravel.org/en/Avoiding_a_transit_of_the_United_S...
    - TheRealPomax 8y ago
      No EU airport allows this for flights from outside the EU/Schengen zone. Every international airport has dedicated "EU internal" and "all other" terminal pathways for this reason.
      - duskhen 8y ago
        Yes, they do. Unless I misinterpreted your comment, connection flights from outside EU to US/Canada don’t require the Schengen visa as passengers don’t leave the “clean” zone.
    - wang_li 8y ago
      I've had to go through security and immigration when flying through Dublin and Seoul. So I don't think you can exempt Europe and Asia from the list.
      - schoen 8y ago
        Were you flying to or from somewhere else in Europe in the Dublin case? A subtlety about this which has just come up elsewhere in this thread is that the whole Schengen Area is treated as a single "country" for immigration purposes, so if you have an intra-European flight, you have to enter or exit "Europe" in the course of a transfer to or from an external flight. But I think if you fly, for example, from New York to Paris and then on to Tunis, you don't have to go through immigration controls in Paris.
        wang_li 8y ago
        I was flying from Seattle to Rome with a connecting flight in Dublin. In both Rome and Dublin I had to go through immigration (that is, present my passport) and in Dublin I had my carry on X-rayed again. Upon arrival in Rome, after clearing immigration I had to go through customs, which is to say I walked out the "Nothing to Declare" portal.
        schoen 8y ago
        Oh, I just remembered that Ireland isn't in the Schengen Area (due to the Common Travel Area with the UK). So you wouldn't have a domestic-style flight from Ireland to Italy. But your experience then does seem to confirm that Dublin doesn't offer sterile transit at all, which is a bit of a surprise to me.
teh_klev 8y ago
Yes, on a flight to and from New Zealand with a refuel/crew change in LA I was fingerprinted, retina scanned and asked about my personal business despite being held in the "secure" zone. This was 2005 so they didn't have such a hard-on for electronic devices back then. Seeing as the US has upped its game quite a bit since then, the likelihood of me ever visiting the US is now zero. Sorry my fellow US HN'rs. And you know it's such a shame because I had a trip to Boston in November 2002, and even with it being only just over a year since 9/11, my passage through customs was friction-less and the staff were delighted that we'd come to visit the US. No fingerprints, no eyeball scanning, no interrogation, just a friendly "business or pleasure, and enjoy your stay".
- xnyan 8y ago
  If you're not being hassled in EU airports, it's because they already have your information. Not whataboutism, but most EU states and all the powerful ones have active, conservative intelligence and police that work closely with the United States and give them any information they want. Stay safe. It's not just 5 countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
barkingcat 8y ago
Yes the secure zone is even more risky in my opinion.
cylinder 8y ago
There is no transit visa to the US. Everyone landing goes through customs and immigration regardless of whether you are connecting to another flight.