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New overriding scheme means more training. The selling point of 737MAX is any 737 pilot can fly on it without new training.
by j16sdiz 8y ago
New overriding scheme means more training. The selling point of 737MAX is any 737 pilot can fly on it without new training.
- josteink 8y agoThat was the selling point, yes, but it doesn’t seem to be quite true in real life. So if they can’t hold that promise anyway, why not provide a better interface?
- chaosprophet 8y agoBecause if they didn't pretend that it was the same to fly a 737 and a 737 max, then they would be required to have pilots get a separate type certification for the max, which is costly for airlines and makes the airlines very reluctant to order the max.
- ptidhomme 8y agoWell, it was the selling point. I'm thinking now of the upgrades. Anyway, for the sake of selling, they went into the biggest failure of modern aerospace engineering. This should just not have happened.
- tomnm 8y agoI can't stop thinking whether similar "compromises" had been made when redesigning the airframe. It's engineering after all. The engineers could be pressed by the management to make certain changes for the sake of profit.
- golergka 8y agoBut managers rely on engineers to let them know when some compromise can be made and when it is absolutely vital not to do it.
- iSnow 8y agoBut management also relies on customers to tell them which compromise is vital to selling a product. And in a market with such huge price-pressure as aeronautics, I can easily see how this is going to override engineer's concerns.
- golergka 8y agoI don't think that any Boeing customer have said or implied that it's OK if a plane can crash as long as they save up on pilot training.
- dsego 8y agoDidn't they "vote with their wallets"?
- golergka 8y agoThey certainly voted with their wallets for a plane that doesn't require additional training. But they sure as hell did not vote with their wallets for a plane that does that on expense of crashing. And, to reiterate my point, I think that managers who pushed for trade-offs between different objectives did not push for this particular trade-off either.
- iSnow 8y agoWell, that's the law of unintended consequences. Customers wanted so not pay for retraining, Boeing wanted to get to the market faster and not wait for re-certification, managers wanted a physical problem fixed in software - and in the end the envelope got pushed too far. I am sure the company operating the Titanic didn't exactly strive to have a shipwreck either.
- golergka 8y agoThis is true, but it is a statement about causality and the thread was about responsibility. Those are two different things. The fact that your actions lead to a certain outcome does not automatically mean that you're morally responsible for this outcome (that's the fallacy that leads to victim blaming, among other things). It is always engineer's responsibility to clearly explain the trade-offs to the managers. Only a manager who's making the decision with accurate information can be responsible for it.