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It's also the pool with the least pronounceable name. Staring at "Mszczonów", most non-Polish people will just give up, I suspect.
by chungleong 8y ago
It's also the pool with the least pronounceable name. Staring at "Mszczonów", most non-Polish people will just give up, I suspect.
- g_lined 8y agoFor those who are intellectually curious, this site has two recordings of how to say it: https://forvo.com/word/mszczonów/ https://forvo.com/word/mszczonów/
- ars 8y agoSounds like Mush-tah-nov to me.
- Intermernet 8y agoOdd, I don't speak Polish, but my mom and grandparents did. Even that small exposure was enough for me to get that pronunciation 100% correct. I wonder what the minimum exposure to any given language is to allow someone to correctly guess pronunciation. I speak a little German and French but regularly get the pronunciation incorrect, but I didn’t grow up around native German and French speakers.
- Arbalest 8y agoIt helps a lot to have been exposed to it around 6-12 months. That's apparently when pronunciation subtlety is learnt.
- Intermernet 8y agoMakes sense. My grandmother would sing polish nursery rhymes to me at that age.
- idlewords 8y agoI bet you six meters of kiełbasa that you did not get that pronunciation 100% correct.
- Intermernet 8y agoI didn't think I would, but I did!
- YjSe2GMQ 8y agoPolish pronunciation is actually incredibly easy, there's a direct mapping (a mathematical function) from a simple partition of letters to phonems. Unlike in English, where we have weirdnesses like "vehicle" or "colonel". There's a price to pay for quick and massive import of words, lack of centralized language development coordination body and conquering the global stage of accents, I reckon. Example for the town: Mszczonów -> Mshchonooff (Americanized).
- Grustaf 8y agoIt’s not easy, it’s very very hard, even for other slavs, but it’s very predictable based on spelling.
- chungleong 8y agoI blame the Poles for the muteness of their non-slav neighbors.
- Grustaf 8y agoAh now I finally got it! Nemtsy, makes sense.
- acjohnson55 8y agoPolish orthography looks insane to native English eyes, but spending a couple hours studying when I was over there 3 years ago was enough to guess right. More sensible than English orthography I'd say!
- ajuc 8y agoThere are rules at least :)
- xxpor 8y agoSomething to know that probably helps: sz ~= sh in English cz ~= ch in English w == v
- Pxtl 8y agoSo Mishchonov, roughly?
- ajuc 8y agoMshchonoov There's no i after m, and ó makes oo sound.
- alexpetralia 8y agoAs a non-Pole, I can't be 100% sure, but isn't it closer to: Mishchonoof ? Trying to see if I remember my Polish..
- eafkuor 8y agoNo, ajuc is right. I'm not Polish but have been living in Poland for a few years
- ajuc 8y agoThere's definitely no "i" there. The "v" at the end can get devoiced to "f" in casual speech, but people don't think of it as "f", because in other forms of the word, where it has postfixes - it still has to be pronounced as "v". It's a little like "speakin'" vs "speaking".
- alexpetralia 8y agoGot it, good to know! Thanks
- uhoh-itsmaciek 8y agoAnd ó ~= oo in English
- pauljurczak 8y agoThe pool is called Deepspot.
- idlewords 8y agoSeems perfectly phonetic to me.
- teddyh 8y ago— Name? — Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-fcrn1Edik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-fcrn1Edik
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