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> Partner and I are considering abandoning the USA. Any thoughts about where you'd move? Some places in the world are better, but it feels like our whole civi

> Partner and I are considering abandoning the USA. Any thoughts about where you'd move? Some places in the world are better, but it feels like our whole civilization is trending in this bad direction.

zanny 8y ago
Its not by coincidence though, TPTB use economic pressure to institute common policy and ideology anywhere they can influence. That is why pretty much any nation with rule of law also adheres to US IP doctrine and has treaties in place to be subject to the will of North America and Europe for extradition, trade, business rights, etc.
komali2 8y ago
This isn't the only reason we're considering leaving, so it's not the crux upon which we are filtering choices. Scandinavia is being tossed around as an option, pending further research on each nation, but generally I've been quite inspired by hackers I've met from there and I haven't seen shockingly dystopian news out of the region in a while. Taiwan is on the shortlist mostly because the government is so preoccupied with dancing a knifeblade with the PRC that the citizens have plenty of room to pass extremely liberal policy. Internet fast as hell and the healthcare system is pretty nice as well. Plus, it's crazy cheap. We're always open to suggestions. New Zealand is something we're looking at but are conflicted about.
- metildaa 8y ago
  Sweden is virtually cashless, with banks & retailers taking a hard line about avoiding cash: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/21/business/sweden-cashless-society.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/21/business/sweden-cashless-... Norway is on the same track: https://www.ibtimes.com/norways-biggest-bank-calls-country-stop-using-cash-2276140 https://www.ibtimes.com/norways-biggest-bank-calls-country-s... Additionally, the extradition scheme with Julian Assange (lure him to Sweden, who will deport to the USA) and laws like IPRED (which forced the creation of IPredator.se VPN) are sketchy at best. Co-liability for debts in many European contries is also a very questionable practice, from what I gather there isn't the same kind of credit system, leaving few un-collateralized debts, and roomates can be held liable for debts they didn't incur, co-sign for or otherwise agree to. Makes you really want to think hard about who you split a flat with!
  - eitland 8y ago
    > Norway is on the same track: Regulators have been very clear recently that accepting cash is mandatory in retail. Cash is part of national emergency preparedness. BTW: last year we received an official flyer with recommendations to keep iodine tablets, fresh water and canned food available.
- tomaskafka 8y ago
  Avoid Norway. Google 'Barnevernet stories'. They are what would happen if you gave TSA the right to remove kids from their families forever.

zanny 8y ago

Its not by coincidence though, TPTB use economic pressure to institute common policy and ideology anywhere they can influence. That is why pretty much any nation with rule of law also adheres to US IP doctrine and has treaties in place to be subject to the will of North America and Europe for extradition, trade, business rights, etc.

komali2 8y ago

This isn't the only reason we're considering leaving, so it's not the crux upon which we are filtering choices. Scandinavia is being tossed around as an option, pending further research on each nation, but generally I've been quite inspired by hackers I've met from there and I haven't seen shockingly dystopian news out of the region in a while. Taiwan is on the shortlist mostly because the government is so preoccupied with dancing a knifeblade with the PRC that the citizens have plenty of room to pass extremely liberal policy. Internet fast as hell and the healthcare system is pretty nice as well. Plus, it's crazy cheap. We're always open to suggestions. New Zealand is something we're looking at but are conflicted about.

metildaa 8y ago
Sweden is virtually cashless, with banks & retailers taking a hard line about avoiding cash: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/21/business/sweden-cashless-society.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/21/business/sweden-cashless-... Norway is on the same track: https://www.ibtimes.com/norways-biggest-bank-calls-country-stop-using-cash-2276140 https://www.ibtimes.com/norways-biggest-bank-calls-country-s... Additionally, the extradition scheme with Julian Assange (lure him to Sweden, who will deport to the USA) and laws like IPRED (which forced the creation of IPredator.se VPN) are sketchy at best. Co-liability for debts in many European contries is also a very questionable practice, from what I gather there isn't the same kind of credit system, leaving few un-collateralized debts, and roomates can be held liable for debts they didn't incur, co-sign for or otherwise agree to. Makes you really want to think hard about who you split a flat with!
- eitland 8y ago
  > Norway is on the same track: Regulators have been very clear recently that accepting cash is mandatory in retail. Cash is part of national emergency preparedness. BTW: last year we received an official flyer with recommendations to keep iodine tablets, fresh water and canned food available.
tomaskafka 8y ago
Avoid Norway. Google 'Barnevernet stories'. They are what would happen if you gave TSA the right to remove kids from their families forever.