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It's a dangerous precedent. Think about adblock. You're just choosing to render the data websites give to you differently. What if you design a web browser tha

It's a dangerous precedent. Think about adblock. You're just choosing to render the data websites give to you differently. What if you design a web browser that just ignores most blobs of CSS/Javascript and renders content in a very different way. Are you now breaking copyright? Because you're rendering the data differently than the W3C standard or blocking certain elements? I realize this is specifically about DRM content, but I feel like it won't be a stretch to try to apply these laws to common content. Lets all start running Gopher servers again... Fuck the modern web.

masukomi 8y ago
> What if you design a web browser that just ignores most blobs of CSS/Javascript and renders content in a very different way. that describes every command line / terminal web browser.
- yayana 8y ago
  Ignoring what you don't understand is arguably valid, dark mode would be illegal..
tux1968 8y ago
Pretty soon web traffic will be decrypted and rendered via site specific web assembly blobs that will do everything in their power to defeat custom rendering. The modern web has just begun, and the powers that be are still grappling with its control. So we're still living in a comparative wild-west, but you can see the writing on the wall in every direction you look online right now.
- samstave 8y ago
  We ahould be doing exactly this in opposite: Anti ad exit node proxies. Basically an ecryoted proxy connection to a powerful ad stripping instance that will randomize and pipe all that shit to dev null, and reply to trackers with addesses of their competing ad systems. So that every ad for “microsoft” appears as though its being used by apple users...
  - lbotos 8y ago
    Ah yes, but then who controls those servers? A lot of people think that US Government agents own enough TOR nodes to de-anonymize.
    - userbinator 8y ago
      To be fair, in my experience there seem to be a lot more people frustrated with ads than scared of the government. Someone who wants privacy/anonymity is likely to not want ads, but I think those who don't want ads is actually a larger group.
      - metildaa 8y ago
        Why would a browser or extension client side not be better? Adding an intermediary would add latency needlessly...
        samstave 8y ago
        Because blocking at the cloent edge node already has had the bandwidth consumed from the carriers end provided, no?
        userbinator 8y ago
        It's not always possible to even modify the client, think of the embedded browsers in "smart" devices as well as the increasingly-locked-down mobile platforms. But as long as installing your own certificates still works, you can continue to MITM your traffic and modify it before it gets to the client(s).
- chongli 8y ago
  This is why we need to build a JavaScript-free web. Just plain old HTML and CSS. With no cookies either. And a search engine that only indexes pages that conform to these rules.
samstave 8y ago
This is what pisses me off aboit ads and data consumption pay rates: if i am paying for “1GB” of data, then i should have full control over how that data gets consumed by the content i am accessing over that paid pipe. Period.
- _corym 8y ago
  That's why I use Brave Browser, it blocks everything by default. Doesn't even download them.
  - p2t2p 8y ago
    I have the same thing in my Safari with 1Blocker. Also built-in on system level and doesn't even download blocked stuff.
  - ntp85 8y ago
    Doesn't uBlock Origin in Firefox do the same by intercepting network requests? I really don't know...
    - Aengeuad 8y ago
      uBlock Origin supports[0] both network filtering where requests to an ad cdn or domain are blocked before the network connection is ever made, and it also supports cosmetic filtering where elements can be hidden after the fact - but this is mostly for blocking intrusive popups or dialogue boxes and the like rather than for blocking ads. The vast majority of filter lists that come with uBlock Origin are network filters where ad domains are blocked outright. As uBlock Origin uses the Adblock Plus filter syntax it's not difficult to use ABP filters or to port hostfile filters over. [0] https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Does-uBlock-block-ads-or-just-hide-them%3F https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Does-uBlock-block-ads...
- marcus_holmes 8y ago
  but you do have full control... if you don't want to see ads, don't visit sites that use ads to support their business model.

masukomi 8y ago

> What if you design a web browser that just ignores most blobs of CSS/Javascript and renders content in a very different way. that describes every command line / terminal web browser.

yayana 8y ago
Ignoring what you don't understand is arguably valid, dark mode would be illegal..

tux1968 8y ago

Pretty soon web traffic will be decrypted and rendered via site specific web assembly blobs that will do everything in their power to defeat custom rendering. The modern web has just begun, and the powers that be are still grappling with its control. So we're still living in a comparative wild-west, but you can see the writing on the wall in every direction you look online right now.

samstave 8y ago
We ahould be doing exactly this in opposite: Anti ad exit node proxies. Basically an ecryoted proxy connection to a powerful ad stripping instance that will randomize and pipe all that shit to dev null, and reply to trackers with addesses of their competing ad systems. So that every ad for “microsoft” appears as though its being used by apple users...
- lbotos 8y ago
  Ah yes, but then who controls those servers? A lot of people think that US Government agents own enough TOR nodes to de-anonymize.
  - userbinator 8y ago
    To be fair, in my experience there seem to be a lot more people frustrated with ads than scared of the government. Someone who wants privacy/anonymity is likely to not want ads, but I think those who don't want ads is actually a larger group.
    - metildaa 8y ago
      Why would a browser or extension client side not be better? Adding an intermediary would add latency needlessly...
      - samstave 8y ago
        Because blocking at the cloent edge node already has had the bandwidth consumed from the carriers end provided, no?
      - userbinator 8y ago
        It's not always possible to even modify the client, think of the embedded browsers in "smart" devices as well as the increasingly-locked-down mobile platforms. But as long as installing your own certificates still works, you can continue to MITM your traffic and modify it before it gets to the client(s).
chongli 8y ago
This is why we need to build a JavaScript-free web. Just plain old HTML and CSS. With no cookies either. And a search engine that only indexes pages that conform to these rules.

samstave 8y ago

This is what pisses me off aboit ads and data consumption pay rates: if i am paying for “1GB” of data, then i should have full control over how that data gets consumed by the content i am accessing over that paid pipe. Period.

_corym 8y ago
That's why I use Brave Browser, it blocks everything by default. Doesn't even download them.
- p2t2p 8y ago
  I have the same thing in my Safari with 1Blocker. Also built-in on system level and doesn't even download blocked stuff.
- ntp85 8y ago
  Doesn't uBlock Origin in Firefox do the same by intercepting network requests? I really don't know...
  - Aengeuad 8y ago
    uBlock Origin supports[0] both network filtering where requests to an ad cdn or domain are blocked before the network connection is ever made, and it also supports cosmetic filtering where elements can be hidden after the fact - but this is mostly for blocking intrusive popups or dialogue boxes and the like rather than for blocking ads. The vast majority of filter lists that come with uBlock Origin are network filters where ad domains are blocked outright. As uBlock Origin uses the Adblock Plus filter syntax it's not difficult to use ABP filters or to port hostfile filters over. [0] https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Does-uBlock-block-ads-or-just-hide-them%3F https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Does-uBlock-block-ads...
marcus_holmes 8y ago
but you do have full control... if you don't want to see ads, don't visit sites that use ads to support their business model.