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> I care more about privacy than the 'immense value' that garbage like facebook provides the world Then you are in the minority. If there was a mass of people

> I care more about privacy than the 'immense value' that garbage like facebook provides the world Then you are in the minority. If there was a mass of people like you then someone could build an alternative and you could use it. That mass doesn't exist though. Most people don't see FB as "garbage" and until you recognize that, then you have a minority opinion (totally ok!) just don't expect billion dollar products to cater to your view.

g45y45 8y ago
Of course I am in the minority. The majority of people on this planet have neither the education, interest or intelligence to understand the cage that is being constructed around them. Are you in the blissful, ignorant majority that cannot see what is actually going on here?
- enitihas 8y ago
  Well if we go by your narrative then the world is anyways doomed. Since majority of the planet has no education, interest, or intelligence to understand anything complicated, their votes are not going to vote for solving problems which are important, but irrelevant to them. IMHO, unless your cause is important to the masses, it is doomed. You should probably think how can you help the blissful, ignorant majority to understand your perspective from their point of view to achieve your cause.
  - g45y45 8y ago
    I agree -- we are doomed. I have no cause. I stopped believing in democracy a long time ago. I have zero interest in helping others to understand my perspective, best we can hope for is to slow down the tech parasites from harvesting their digital souls.
    - spaced-out 8y ago
      So what do you propose? That there should be no social media, including Hacker News?
      - g45y45 8y ago
        I propose the systemic dismantling of the Zuckerberg empire, hard prison time for the execs, and industry banishment for its employees and collaborators. HN is just a news aggregator with social-media like comments section. Its not social media. If the unwashed masses (instead of whatever Technorati that hangs out here) decided to call this home, im out! ;-)
        Diederich 8y ago
        > HN is just a news aggregator with social-media like comments section. Its not social media. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/social%20media https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/social%20media
        spaced-out 8y ago
        What's the difference between a website that's "social-media like" and one that's "social-media"?
    - enitihas 8y ago
      Curiously, what governance system do you believe in. Philosopher Kings like Plato suggested? Doesn't history show us that all government systems are flawed. Do you think there is any hope for humanity in some alternative system?
- malvosenior 8y ago
  What I see is going on is a billion people getting value out of products that a small minority of people aren't happy with yet propose no alternative to.
  - g45y45 8y ago
    and what i see is a billion serf's getting exploited by a small minority of tech feudal lords. There is no alternative, except opting out of the game entirely. That is the point I wish to make here. There is no making a safe social media. Facebook is irredeemable. Social media is destructive to society by design.
    - malvosenior 8y ago
      Well, I'm sure people will not listen to someone who calls them serfs so I think you should ask yourself what your goal is. If it's to convince people to drop social media altogether you'll have to give them a plausible replacement for the very real value they're being asked to walk away from (and treat them with more respect). If your point is just to vent, then cool. I understand your position, I just think it's a dead end and not actionable.
- dang 8y ago
  In addition to avoiding personal attacks a la https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19560477 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19560477, could you please not post wake-up-sheeple rants? We're hoping for comments that are more substantive than that. Indignation is noise, so high-indignation comments almost always have a low signal/noise ratio.

g45y45 8y ago

Of course I am in the minority. The majority of people on this planet have neither the education, interest or intelligence to understand the cage that is being constructed around them. Are you in the blissful, ignorant majority that cannot see what is actually going on here?

enitihas 8y ago
Well if we go by your narrative then the world is anyways doomed. Since majority of the planet has no education, interest, or intelligence to understand anything complicated, their votes are not going to vote for solving problems which are important, but irrelevant to them. IMHO, unless your cause is important to the masses, it is doomed. You should probably think how can you help the blissful, ignorant majority to understand your perspective from their point of view to achieve your cause.
- g45y45 8y ago
  I agree -- we are doomed. I have no cause. I stopped believing in democracy a long time ago. I have zero interest in helping others to understand my perspective, best we can hope for is to slow down the tech parasites from harvesting their digital souls.
  - spaced-out 8y ago
    So what do you propose? That there should be no social media, including Hacker News?
    - g45y45 8y ago
      I propose the systemic dismantling of the Zuckerberg empire, hard prison time for the execs, and industry banishment for its employees and collaborators. HN is just a news aggregator with social-media like comments section. Its not social media. If the unwashed masses (instead of whatever Technorati that hangs out here) decided to call this home, im out! ;-)
      - Diederich 8y ago
        > HN is just a news aggregator with social-media like comments section. Its not social media. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/social%20media https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/social%20media
      - spaced-out 8y ago
        What's the difference between a website that's "social-media like" and one that's "social-media"?
  - enitihas 8y ago
    Curiously, what governance system do you believe in. Philosopher Kings like Plato suggested? Doesn't history show us that all government systems are flawed. Do you think there is any hope for humanity in some alternative system?
malvosenior 8y ago
What I see is going on is a billion people getting value out of products that a small minority of people aren't happy with yet propose no alternative to.
- g45y45 8y ago
  and what i see is a billion serf's getting exploited by a small minority of tech feudal lords. There is no alternative, except opting out of the game entirely. That is the point I wish to make here. There is no making a safe social media. Facebook is irredeemable. Social media is destructive to society by design.
  - malvosenior 8y ago
    Well, I'm sure people will not listen to someone who calls them serfs so I think you should ask yourself what your goal is. If it's to convince people to drop social media altogether you'll have to give them a plausible replacement for the very real value they're being asked to walk away from (and treat them with more respect). If your point is just to vent, then cool. I understand your position, I just think it's a dead end and not actionable.
dang 8y ago
In addition to avoiding personal attacks a la https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19560477 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19560477, could you please not post wake-up-sheeple rants? We're hoping for comments that are more substantive than that. Indignation is noise, so high-indignation comments almost always have a low signal/noise ratio.