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What kind of hardware did you use? You need to do some research when buying hardware that is compatible with Linux -- this is why everyone in this thread recom

What kind of hardware did you use? You need to do some research when buying hardware that is compatible with Linux -- this is why everyone in this thread recommends Lenovo X1. It's more expensive than other laptops, but it is really compatible Linux hardware. Also it takes some time to get driver support into Linux kernel, so for average hardware that doesn't specifically supports Linux, I'd expect about 6 months to a year after hardware release; also for a jump in video quality -- it takes Xorg some time to get proper video support, though I saw Lenovo Yoga machines working with 4K just fine a few years ago. (Disclaimer Lenovo Yoga is not as well supported in linux as Lenovo X1 carbon) Nvidia is notoriously hostile to linux, which made it a no-go for me and I'm sticking to either AMD or Intel for my video cards, where everything works flawlessly. I believe the point the parent is making that Apple hardware is now bad enough that having Linux on well supported hardware, would require less fiddling and would provide better user experience.

eropple 8y ago
> I believe the point the parent is making that Apple hardware is now bad enough that having Linux on well supported hardware, would require less fiddling and would provide better user experience. Exactly. Business-class machines will generally do you just fine. My experience: most of the Lenovo T, X, and P laptops, modulo some of the tablet/Yoga features, work out of the box. I had a HP Spectre x360 13" before a Lenovo (took it back for other reasons, didn't like the keyboard) in early 2018 and it worked out of the box--and with a 4K display besides. I've used Dell's XPS 13 and XPS 15, and they worked out of the box, too. I realized last week that I at this point can safely assume that stuff is gonna just work with my machines. I plugged in a Lenovo Thunderbolt 3 dock with two monitors, headphones, Ethernet, and a bunch of USB devices and I didn't even stop to think first whether or not that it'd break. It didn't. It is predictably acceptable, today, in 2019. It's emphatically not perfect. I have complaints. But the showstoppers are gone, if you buy mainstream gear.
- aembleton 8y ago
  Dell Latitude and Xiaomi laptops work well too.
umanwizard 8y ago
> What kind of hardware did you use? NVidia 1070 Ti > You need to do some research when buying hardware that is compatible with Linux This backs up my point -- I don't have to waste time researching anything with macOS. > Nvidia is notoriously hostile to linux That may be true, but as a user, I don't care why macOS works better, or whether it's fair. I just care that it does. > I'm sticking to either AMD or Intel for my video cards, where everything works flawlessly. Not an option if you need CUDA support. > I believe the point the parent is making that Apple hardware is now bad enough that having Linux on well supported hardware, would require less fiddling Researching what hardware is supported counts as fiddling.
- addicted 8y ago
  You wouldn’t have to research anything either if you bought a System76 or Dell Developer laptop which come with Linux preinstalled. Everything would work out of the box. You are comparing apples and oranges by complaining that Linux didn’t work on a laptop where it didn’t come preinstalled, whereas OSX worked on one where it did. If you tried to install OSX on the laptop you installed Linux on instead it would almost certainly fail, and if itnworked it would be because of orders of magnitude more research needed to build a hackintosh. In a comparison with Windows Linux might fail the “install on a random laptop and have it working” test, but certainly not against OSX.
- eropple 8y ago
  What Mac do you have that supports a 1070Ti at standard throughput?

eropple 8y ago

> I believe the point the parent is making that Apple hardware is now bad enough that having Linux on well supported hardware, would require less fiddling and would provide better user experience. Exactly. Business-class machines will generally do you just fine. My experience: most of the Lenovo T, X, and P laptops, modulo some of the tablet/Yoga features, work out of the box. I had a HP Spectre x360 13" before a Lenovo (took it back for other reasons, didn't like the keyboard) in early 2018 and it worked out of the box--and with a 4K display besides. I've used Dell's XPS 13 and XPS 15, and they worked out of the box, too. I realized last week that I at this point can safely assume that stuff is gonna just work with my machines. I plugged in a Lenovo Thunderbolt 3 dock with two monitors, headphones, Ethernet, and a bunch of USB devices and I didn't even stop to think first whether or not that it'd break. It didn't. It is predictably acceptable, today, in 2019. It's emphatically not perfect. I have complaints. But the showstoppers are gone, if you buy mainstream gear.

aembleton 8y ago
Dell Latitude and Xiaomi laptops work well too.

umanwizard 8y ago

> What kind of hardware did you use? NVidia 1070 Ti > You need to do some research when buying hardware that is compatible with Linux This backs up my point -- I don't have to waste time researching anything with macOS. > Nvidia is notoriously hostile to linux That may be true, but as a user, I don't care why macOS works better, or whether it's fair. I just care that it does. > I'm sticking to either AMD or Intel for my video cards, where everything works flawlessly. Not an option if you need CUDA support. > I believe the point the parent is making that Apple hardware is now bad enough that having Linux on well supported hardware, would require less fiddling Researching what hardware is supported counts as fiddling.

addicted 8y ago
You wouldn’t have to research anything either if you bought a System76 or Dell Developer laptop which come with Linux preinstalled. Everything would work out of the box. You are comparing apples and oranges by complaining that Linux didn’t work on a laptop where it didn’t come preinstalled, whereas OSX worked on one where it did. If you tried to install OSX on the laptop you installed Linux on instead it would almost certainly fail, and if itnworked it would be because of orders of magnitude more research needed to build a hackintosh. In a comparison with Windows Linux might fail the “install on a random laptop and have it working” test, but certainly not against OSX.
eropple 8y ago
What Mac do you have that supports a 1070Ti at standard throughput?