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> Most prompts are dismissed, while almost 19% of prompts caused users to leave the site immediately after being confronted with them. Guilty. I've started tak

> Most prompts are dismissed, while almost 19% of prompts caused users to leave the site immediately after being confronted with them. Guilty. I've started taking requests for permission to send push notifications as a strong signal that I've accidentally clicked on clickbait.

bachmeier 8y ago
It's hard to interpret a push notification as anything other than a sign that it's a shady site.
- simias 8y ago
  The problem is that many high profile websites behave like shady actors with plenty of dark patterns these days. Reddit is one of the most glaring examples, but even Google makes you go through hoops to tweak your privacy settings for instance. It seems that we've gone through a strange curve, early internet (up to the early 00's I'd say) was a pretty shady place with scams and malware around every corner if you weren't careful, then we had a decade of relatively smooth sailing as things settled a bit and the players who actually provided good service managed to take over (e.g. Amazon) but now these big players have a monopoly and they are getting greedy and start becoming actively user-hostile again. I wonder what the next step will be.
  - nikodunk 8y ago
    I predict the next step will be less growth-hungry sites taking over that have less VC pressure on them. So businesses with cost structures that can make a few people rich but don't need to show 140% YoY growth. Sites like craiglist, projects from indiehackers. They wouldn't nag me for push notification access – why annoy your customer when your product spreads mostly through word of mouth?
beat 8y ago
Most of the internet is clickbait these days.
- marv3lls 8y ago
  Except for ClickHole! All that is 20,000% valid, valuable content!! cough
basseq 8y ago
What's the logic for publishers, here? "If we add this feature, we will immediately bounce 19% of our traffic." Why would you do that? Or is this a scam thing where that 19% just proved they aren't suckers, so you don't want to waste your time on them?
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- bunderbunder 8y ago
  Probably, the ad revenue from a person who will accept push notifications and then keep coming back to the site, following links and wasting hours and hours, is worth that of many, many, many cranky people like me.
- codedokode 8y ago
  You bounce 19% of your traffic but some other 30% might accidentally agree to the notifications and now you can bump your traffic every day by sending them. Those 19% are probably useless people with adblockers that never give their email or click any ads so you lose nothing anyway. Also, you can send ads using notifications and earn money.
- PaulHoule 8y ago
  Today there is very little trust in search engines on the part of web sites so if they get a visitor today they want very badly to get a line on that person so they can keep them coming back. That 19% of people are not monolithic. Probably some people understand what is going on, other people just realize it just another distraction, it is like having a homeless person try to sell you a macbook in San Francisco. A quality of life thing.
JensRex 8y ago
I have the same reaction to modal newsletter popups, or anything that blocks the content I want to see.

bachmeier 8y ago

It's hard to interpret a push notification as anything other than a sign that it's a shady site.

simias 8y ago
The problem is that many high profile websites behave like shady actors with plenty of dark patterns these days. Reddit is one of the most glaring examples, but even Google makes you go through hoops to tweak your privacy settings for instance. It seems that we've gone through a strange curve, early internet (up to the early 00's I'd say) was a pretty shady place with scams and malware around every corner if you weren't careful, then we had a decade of relatively smooth sailing as things settled a bit and the players who actually provided good service managed to take over (e.g. Amazon) but now these big players have a monopoly and they are getting greedy and start becoming actively user-hostile again. I wonder what the next step will be.
- nikodunk 8y ago
  I predict the next step will be less growth-hungry sites taking over that have less VC pressure on them. So businesses with cost structures that can make a few people rich but don't need to show 140% YoY growth. Sites like craiglist, projects from indiehackers. They wouldn't nag me for push notification access – why annoy your customer when your product spreads mostly through word of mouth?

beat 8y ago

Most of the internet is clickbait these days.

marv3lls 8y ago
Except for ClickHole! All that is 20,000% valid, valuable content!! cough

basseq 8y ago

What's the logic for publishers, here? "If we add this feature, we will immediately bounce 19% of our traffic." Why would you do that? Or is this a scam thing where that 19% just proved they aren't suckers, so you don't want to waste your time on them?

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bunderbunder 8y ago
Probably, the ad revenue from a person who will accept push notifications and then keep coming back to the site, following links and wasting hours and hours, is worth that of many, many, many cranky people like me.
codedokode 8y ago
You bounce 19% of your traffic but some other 30% might accidentally agree to the notifications and now you can bump your traffic every day by sending them. Those 19% are probably useless people with adblockers that never give their email or click any ads so you lose nothing anyway. Also, you can send ads using notifications and earn money.
PaulHoule 8y ago
Today there is very little trust in search engines on the part of web sites so if they get a visitor today they want very badly to get a line on that person so they can keep them coming back. That 19% of people are not monolithic. Probably some people understand what is going on, other people just realize it just another distraction, it is like having a homeless person try to sell you a macbook in San Francisco. A quality of life thing.

JensRex 8y ago

I have the same reaction to modal newsletter popups, or anything that blocks the content I want to see.