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> Alternative title: Country that has already done thing decries country that is doing thing. This is no argument. It is now recognised as an irresponsible thi

> Alternative title: Country that has already done thing decries country that is doing thing. This is no argument. It is now recognised as an irresponsible thing to do by anyone. The US dropped nuclear bombs on populated areas during WW2. Should it not try to stop countries that may want to drop such bombs in 2019?

dsfyu404ed 8y ago
>The US dropped nuclear bombs on populated areas during WW2. Should it not try to stop countries that may want to drop such bombs in 2019? It's tone deaf for nations that already have nuclear protection to tell other countries not to develop the capability. It's like Bloomberg or Fienstien, or some other politician who lives somewhere safe and has a security detail telling a town hall meeting in the 48205 (a zipcode in Detroit that would make a lot of people here uncomfortable) that they'd all be safer if they turned in their guns.
roenxi 8y ago
Obviously the US should try to stop other countries that want to drop bombs; it makes sense from every perspective in a moral and realpolitik sense. However, the issue we face in your counter is that the US dropped 2 bombs, the world didn't end, and obviously they were happy enough with the results that they've kept a rather large nuclear arsenal in prime condition, ready to be used. I'm not even sure if the US apologised for dropping those nukes. From a high-functioning-sociopath perspective, which is what large agglomerations of humans do frequently degenerate to, why shouldn't a given country not strive to emulate something that clearly worked? For the US to decry such mimicry is meaningless at best, hypocritical at worst: 1) If they think an act is against some great universal principle they should not have done it in the first place. 2) If individual politicians would almost certainly seek power by any means if roles were reversed, that is just the sort of people who become politicians. It is fine if they want to boss countries around to support their own interests; that is sort of expected. To do more is to invite eye rolls.
- kranner 8y ago
  Just because countries tend to act like sociopaths doesn’t make that sort of behaviour acceptable. And if we leave behind the bomb analogy, this was an action with global consequences. Not only potentially harming the ISS but risking escalating an arms race that could jeopardise all future satellites and space missions.

dsfyu404ed 8y ago

>The US dropped nuclear bombs on populated areas during WW2. Should it not try to stop countries that may want to drop such bombs in 2019? It's tone deaf for nations that already have nuclear protection to tell other countries not to develop the capability. It's like Bloomberg or Fienstien, or some other politician who lives somewhere safe and has a security detail telling a town hall meeting in the 48205 (a zipcode in Detroit that would make a lot of people here uncomfortable) that they'd all be safer if they turned in their guns.

roenxi 8y ago

Obviously the US should try to stop other countries that want to drop bombs; it makes sense from every perspective in a moral and realpolitik sense. However, the issue we face in your counter is that the US dropped 2 bombs, the world didn't end, and obviously they were happy enough with the results that they've kept a rather large nuclear arsenal in prime condition, ready to be used. I'm not even sure if the US apologised for dropping those nukes. From a high-functioning-sociopath perspective, which is what large agglomerations of humans do frequently degenerate to, why shouldn't a given country not strive to emulate something that clearly worked? For the US to decry such mimicry is meaningless at best, hypocritical at worst: 1) If they think an act is against some great universal principle they should not have done it in the first place. 2) If individual politicians would almost certainly seek power by any means if roles were reversed, that is just the sort of people who become politicians. It is fine if they want to boss countries around to support their own interests; that is sort of expected. To do more is to invite eye rolls.

kranner 8y ago
Just because countries tend to act like sociopaths doesn’t make that sort of behaviour acceptable. And if we leave behind the bomb analogy, this was an action with global consequences. Not only potentially harming the ISS but risking escalating an arms race that could jeopardise all future satellites and space missions.