this one: https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/masterminds-of-programming/9780596801670/ch04.html https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/masterminds-of-programm..

this one: https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/masterminds-of-programming/9780596801670/ch04.html https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/masterminds-of-programm... ? Very interesting interview indeed.