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>(...) but more effective measures will follow if we don't change the political willingness to withhold knowledge from the masses. The EU just passed the direc

>(...) but more effective measures will follow if we don't change the political willingness to withhold knowledge from the masses. The EU just passed the directive for the new copyright package which further cements the status quo (the two often mentioned articles are just the worst of it), so don't expect any progress if people don't start to elect more progressive politicians. The projections for the EU election show that the shares of the fractions won't change much, beside a slight shift to the right. The composition of the Conservative wing, however, will become more Euroskeptic and nationalistic. And from an economic perspective, I don't see any big shift towards more consumer-oriented party programs, while the right-wing generally tends to be liberal(classical), or neoliberal even, anyway. P.S.: To avoid DNS blocking, use a DNS server from a private party; and since in some countries such data streams are manipulated, use encrypted DNS to ensure integrity. https://dnscrypt.info/faq https://dnscrypt.info/faq

narag 8y ago
I don't know about other countries, but in Spain the left wing is the best friend of the copyright lobby.
- sampo 8y ago
  Also from Finland, the left wing (Social Democrat, Left Alliance) MEPs voted in favor of Article 13 recently.
- AsyncAwait 8y ago
  Are they "left-wing" or socially left neoliberals. There is a difference between "left-wing" as in economic AND social leftism vs the sort of neoliberal, "Third Way" politics, which equal socially left-wing, but economically center-right. Most of the "social democratic" parties in Europe are that way these days. They don't really champion economic populism, wealth redistribution etc.
  - narag 8y ago
    I'm not sure what you mean with "socially left-wing". Is that something that doesn't cost money? And IMO there are no (neo)liberals in Spain, if you listen to facts instead of words. Every party currently in Parliament is big-state. PP raised taxes over Zapatero levels and public expenses even more, systematically breaking expense limits every single year they were in government.
    - AsyncAwait 8y ago
      > I'm not sure what you mean with "socially left-wing". They're pro choice, pro LGBTQ etc. but also very much pro things like privatization. As for "Is that something that doesn't cost money?" - that's a childish question that is almost not worth answering. Maintaining a functioning society always costs money, there's infrastructure & services to maintain. Taxes are going to get collected, so for me the only real question is if they're going to be spent on moving the country forward, supporting those in need of support and improving services, (healthcare etc.) & infrastructure, (bridges, roads...), making sure publicly funded research stays public, going after corporate tax evasion and so on... or if they're going to be spent on bloated military contracts etc. Sadly, the supposed left-wing in most of Europe today is not focusing on healthcare, infrastructure etc. in a major way and thus the distinction between them and the right seems rather thin. They're both fairly pro-corporate, thus the main distinction is the social politics, which rarely address people's economic concerns. As for big state, I don't know, Mariano Rajoy, a right-winger was willing to send "the State" to violently suppress an independence referendum. Not sure how that squares with you.
      - narag 8y ago
        ...that's a childish question that is almost not worth answering Wow, thank you. That actually saves me time. Once somebody answers like that, it's clear that any effort to reason would be a waste.
        AsyncAwait 8y ago
        You do you, I just wish you were more honest in also quoting what was this reaction to & my reasoning for saying that. On the other hand, that may lead you to stop saying nonsense like that in the first place.
hevi_jos 8y ago
It is clear reading your comment that you do this transformation in your head automatically: Progressive = Left = Good Right = Bad I don't believe that the access to what public funding pays (public research) is intrinsically linked to the left, quite the opposite. In the past for example while the US published a lot of information in public journals, Soviet Russia was very secretive about theirs(while benefiting from the West). US was not leftist than Soviet Russia. While the left wants to link themselves to the idea of "progress", hence the auto denominated name "progressive", I don't see the progress anywhere after watching the process take action in Europe multiple times(North Americans have not experienced real left in power), quite the opposite. The left wants to create a monster State. Once in place individuals have no power at all. Everything is controlled top down and as there is only one entity, there is no competition. There is way more risk of "regulatory capture" when there is only one entity than when competition exist. Journals ownership of what public funding pays is a case of regulatory capture. Scientists should demand their work to be in the open, or it will not really be science.
- AsyncAwait 8y ago
  > The left wants to create a monster State. Once in place individuals have no power at all. Everything is controlled top down and as there is only one entity, there is no competition You started by criticizing a simplistic analysis of Left == good, Right == bad, but you just flipped Right == good, Left == bad and offered such a juvenile, simplistic analysis, it's honestly laughable. When it comes to the left, you'd have to distinguish between neoliberals, (socially left, economically centre-right), which is who's been in power in Europe when it comes to the left. You fail to realize that there is a thing called "left-wing libertarianism", in fact libertarianism originated with the left and most people, apart from Americans, understood libertarianism to be left-wing. There's no "monster State" advocated there. It's more about ensuring equality of opportunity, (not outcome(!)), promoting cooperatives etc. In reality, these would be beneficial for competition, because it promotes more people being able to take the risk of having a business, since there's a social safety net.
- psychoslave 8y ago
  AsyncAwait have a point here, the comment start with a "don't fall into simplistic extreme dualism. Neither brightest human achievements nor genocide happen only under a single political orientation flag. There are people that are admirably altruist and awesomely creative regardless of the main political forces going on where they live. And there are people seeking to concentrate always more power for themselves regardless of socioeconomic consequences for others under any flag of the day which would serve this purpose.
swebs 8y ago
>In 2018, support [for the copyright directive] in the European Parliament was led by the European People's Party group and the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats, the parliament's two largest groups >Opposition in the European Parliament is led by populist parties including Poland's ruling Law and Justice party, Italy's ruling Five Star Movement/Lega Nord coalition, and the UK Independence Party. Other opponents include a large number of smaller parties at either end of the political spectrum.[66][72] Notable among these is the Pirate Party Germany, whose sole MEP Julia Reda has been an outspoken opponent of the proposal.[73] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_Copyright_in_the_Digital_Single_Market#Politicians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_Copyright_in_the_...
- class4behavior 8y ago
  Your political position is evaluated based on your actual opinion and decisions, not just what you announce yourself to be. I did not orientate my statement based on party names and official affiliations, but the overall political and economical nature and priorities of the copyright directive and actual policies the EP fractions vote for.

narag 8y ago

I don't know about other countries, but in Spain the left wing is the best friend of the copyright lobby.

sampo 8y ago
Also from Finland, the left wing (Social Democrat, Left Alliance) MEPs voted in favor of Article 13 recently.
AsyncAwait 8y ago
Are they "left-wing" or socially left neoliberals. There is a difference between "left-wing" as in economic AND social leftism vs the sort of neoliberal, "Third Way" politics, which equal socially left-wing, but economically center-right. Most of the "social democratic" parties in Europe are that way these days. They don't really champion economic populism, wealth redistribution etc.
- narag 8y ago
  I'm not sure what you mean with "socially left-wing". Is that something that doesn't cost money? And IMO there are no (neo)liberals in Spain, if you listen to facts instead of words. Every party currently in Parliament is big-state. PP raised taxes over Zapatero levels and public expenses even more, systematically breaking expense limits every single year they were in government.
  - AsyncAwait 8y ago
    > I'm not sure what you mean with "socially left-wing". They're pro choice, pro LGBTQ etc. but also very much pro things like privatization. As for "Is that something that doesn't cost money?" - that's a childish question that is almost not worth answering. Maintaining a functioning society always costs money, there's infrastructure & services to maintain. Taxes are going to get collected, so for me the only real question is if they're going to be spent on moving the country forward, supporting those in need of support and improving services, (healthcare etc.) & infrastructure, (bridges, roads...), making sure publicly funded research stays public, going after corporate tax evasion and so on... or if they're going to be spent on bloated military contracts etc. Sadly, the supposed left-wing in most of Europe today is not focusing on healthcare, infrastructure etc. in a major way and thus the distinction between them and the right seems rather thin. They're both fairly pro-corporate, thus the main distinction is the social politics, which rarely address people's economic concerns. As for big state, I don't know, Mariano Rajoy, a right-winger was willing to send "the State" to violently suppress an independence referendum. Not sure how that squares with you.
    - narag 8y ago
      ...that's a childish question that is almost not worth answering Wow, thank you. That actually saves me time. Once somebody answers like that, it's clear that any effort to reason would be a waste.
      - AsyncAwait 8y ago
        You do you, I just wish you were more honest in also quoting what was this reaction to & my reasoning for saying that. On the other hand, that may lead you to stop saying nonsense like that in the first place.

hevi_jos 8y ago

It is clear reading your comment that you do this transformation in your head automatically: Progressive = Left = Good Right = Bad I don't believe that the access to what public funding pays (public research) is intrinsically linked to the left, quite the opposite. In the past for example while the US published a lot of information in public journals, Soviet Russia was very secretive about theirs(while benefiting from the West). US was not leftist than Soviet Russia. While the left wants to link themselves to the idea of "progress", hence the auto denominated name "progressive", I don't see the progress anywhere after watching the process take action in Europe multiple times(North Americans have not experienced real left in power), quite the opposite. The left wants to create a monster State. Once in place individuals have no power at all. Everything is controlled top down and as there is only one entity, there is no competition. There is way more risk of "regulatory capture" when there is only one entity than when competition exist. Journals ownership of what public funding pays is a case of regulatory capture. Scientists should demand their work to be in the open, or it will not really be science.

AsyncAwait 8y ago
> The left wants to create a monster State. Once in place individuals have no power at all. Everything is controlled top down and as there is only one entity, there is no competition You started by criticizing a simplistic analysis of Left == good, Right == bad, but you just flipped Right == good, Left == bad and offered such a juvenile, simplistic analysis, it's honestly laughable. When it comes to the left, you'd have to distinguish between neoliberals, (socially left, economically centre-right), which is who's been in power in Europe when it comes to the left. You fail to realize that there is a thing called "left-wing libertarianism", in fact libertarianism originated with the left and most people, apart from Americans, understood libertarianism to be left-wing. There's no "monster State" advocated there. It's more about ensuring equality of opportunity, (not outcome(!)), promoting cooperatives etc. In reality, these would be beneficial for competition, because it promotes more people being able to take the risk of having a business, since there's a social safety net.
psychoslave 8y ago
AsyncAwait have a point here, the comment start with a "don't fall into simplistic extreme dualism. Neither brightest human achievements nor genocide happen only under a single political orientation flag. There are people that are admirably altruist and awesomely creative regardless of the main political forces going on where they live. And there are people seeking to concentrate always more power for themselves regardless of socioeconomic consequences for others under any flag of the day which would serve this purpose.

swebs 8y ago

>In 2018, support [for the copyright directive] in the European Parliament was led by the European People's Party group and the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats, the parliament's two largest groups >Opposition in the European Parliament is led by populist parties including Poland's ruling Law and Justice party, Italy's ruling Five Star Movement/Lega Nord coalition, and the UK Independence Party. Other opponents include a large number of smaller parties at either end of the political spectrum.[66][72] Notable among these is the Pirate Party Germany, whose sole MEP Julia Reda has been an outspoken opponent of the proposal.[73] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_Copyright_in_the_Digital_Single_Market#Politicians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_Copyright_in_the_...

class4behavior 8y ago
Your political position is evaluated based on your actual opinion and decisions, not just what you announce yourself to be. I did not orientate my statement based on party names and official affiliations, but the overall political and economical nature and priorities of the copyright directive and actual policies the EP fractions vote for.