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We probably don't call miscarries spontaneous abortions because the implication is that you just decided on a whim to have an abortion as opposed to what a misc

We probably don't call miscarries spontaneous abortions because the implication is that you just decided on a whim to have an abortion as opposed to what a miscarriage usually means which is an abortion of an already dead fetus. Also i don't get why death certificates for non-born children is something that people are so angry about. How dare we cherish life and mourn when a death occurs. It seems like the people who are truly offended by such a proposal have some obscure views on meaning of life and death.

aaron695 8y ago
> Also i don't get why death certificates for non-born children is something that people are so angry about. I doubt they are angry, the article seems to just be making that up. But they can disagree. Society can't really play both sides of the coin, if a miscarriage is a legal death of a human then so is an abortion. And I get how a person feels at the time might play into it at a personal level but society doesn't have that leeway and at an ethical level how a mother and father feels doesn't change if it's a death of a human or not.
SiempreViernes 8y ago
In one case the pregnant body decides to kill the fetus and eject it, in the other an outside actor induces the same process. This is spontaneous in the "happens on its own" sense, not in the "likes long walks in nature" sense: It is a technical term. As for the death certificate issue, they are transparent ploys for political points made without granting any agency to the affected mothers.
EliRivers 8y ago
I wonder if some people might fear that death certificates would be the thin end of another wedge towards banning abortion. It would also turn something that some people might like to keep deeply personal into a state-registered event; how long until they become compulsory? There are places in the world where miscarriages are seen as suspicous. Potential crimes, worthy of investigation. I think we all know there are groups who'd like to see that in the US.
- zimpenfish 8y ago
  > how long until they become compulsory? Given the current makeup of SCOTUS, "as soon as Texas can get this back in front of them", I'd imagine. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/us/texas-fetal-burying-court-abortion.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/us/texas-fetal-burying-co...

aaron695 8y ago

> Also i don't get why death certificates for non-born children is something that people are so angry about. I doubt they are angry, the article seems to just be making that up. But they can disagree. Society can't really play both sides of the coin, if a miscarriage is a legal death of a human then so is an abortion. And I get how a person feels at the time might play into it at a personal level but society doesn't have that leeway and at an ethical level how a mother and father feels doesn't change if it's a death of a human or not.

SiempreViernes 8y ago

In one case the pregnant body decides to kill the fetus and eject it, in the other an outside actor induces the same process. This is spontaneous in the "happens on its own" sense, not in the "likes long walks in nature" sense: It is a technical term. As for the death certificate issue, they are transparent ploys for political points made without granting any agency to the affected mothers.

EliRivers 8y ago

I wonder if some people might fear that death certificates would be the thin end of another wedge towards banning abortion. It would also turn something that some people might like to keep deeply personal into a state-registered event; how long until they become compulsory? There are places in the world where miscarriages are seen as suspicous. Potential crimes, worthy of investigation. I think we all know there are groups who'd like to see that in the US.

zimpenfish 8y ago
> how long until they become compulsory? Given the current makeup of SCOTUS, "as soon as Texas can get this back in front of them", I'd imagine. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/us/texas-fetal-burying-court-abortion.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/us/texas-fetal-burying-co...